random Duty Finder groups - Square Enix attitude solution INC

[AethyrSanc]

nope, id rather just be extremely toxic and screw with people... #tanklife

[Steeled]

Awful idea. Things are not always the fault of the people they seem like.

[KaiKatzchen]

First of all, EVERYONE who plays nice with random strangers will get the points, so no, they are not ignored

Exactly the people who want to play with random strangers.

SE even says it on their site: Take part in an epic and ever-changing FINAL FANTASY as you adventure and explore with friends from around the world.

So how can we explore and play with friends if SE is saying "oh but you can't do DF's together if you want 'X' points and 'X' items."

Or maybe what they say about Free Company's on their site: Free companies are adventurer-run organizations which serve to facilitate cooperation between individuals.

Great we can cooperate and help one another, but just know that there will be in-game items that those players who want to use a FC for what it's suppose to be used for won't get as easily because they aren't constantly running with strangers.

That doesn't also count the people who might have a static set up, or people who joined under the believe that they would be able to access everything the game had to offer by doing it all with their friends. In short to me it feels like they are saying, they support building communities in this game and have given us the tools. But when it comes to instance/dungeon runs where you have to use DF (which is pretty much every major part of the game) they don't matter as much as doing it with random people you don't know.

Giving gifts to bad people to control them doesn't make them better people. It shows them they can abuse the system and players to get what they want in the end. And as someone else said, are vanity items really going to tide them over? How long before they don't care. This isn't a fix, it's a band aid.

[Steeled]

Instead, you should have to rate the collective performance of the rest of your group.

Someone beat you at a roll? ratedown
Healer said afk and you pull and die? ratedown
Somebody's first time in an instance? ratedown
Someone accidentally agros a trashpack? ratedown

I think you see where this is going...

People are not all naturally nice. Most aren't, as can be seen from the current dungeon finder. I can't imagine how this is going to fix anything.

[Crica]

So how can we explore and play with friends if SE is saying "oh but you can't do DF's together if you want 'X' points and 'X' items."

the same way you do it in real life - you go help out random strangers ONCE IN A WHILE and do things with your friends the REST OF YOUR TIME...

[KaiKatzchen]

People are not all naturally nice. Most aren't, as can be seen from the current dungeon finder. I can't imagine how this is going to fix anything.

I agree. Seeing how fast people go though content how long before they play nice long enough to get everything and/or don't care about such items and go back to how they were? It's not a fix.

And telling people 'you have to do it this way or you're missing out on content items' isn't letting players play the game the way they might want. It's forcing them to play a way they might not be comfortable or miss out on content.

[Crica]

Instead, you should have to rate the collective performance of the rest of your group.

Someone beat you at a roll? ratedown
Healer said afk and you pull and die? ratedown
Somebody's first time in an instance? ratedown
Someone accidentally agros a trashpack? ratedown

I think you see where this is going...

People are not all naturally nice. Most aren't, as can be seen from the current dungeon finder. I can't imagine how this is going to fix anything.

way to ignore the OP... no downrating involved...

[Crica]

It's forcing them to play a way they might not be comfortable or miss out on content.

if you decide you dont want to help out random strangers, then you should not get anything that comes from helping out random strangers...

kinda common sense...

its the same for everything in game...

if you decide you dont want to fight garuda, then you should not get anything that comes from fighting garuda...etc...

[KaiKatzchen]

the same way you do it in real life - you go help out random strangers ONCE IN A WHILE and do things with your friends the REST OF YOUR TIME...

It is obvious that we see this from different point's of view, and there is nothing wrong with that.

But when the DF was first announced I told people on the forums that this would happen and supported an anti-community attitude. Now look what has happened.

All i'm saying now is this is a temporary fix, a band-aid and everyone that I know that I have spoken too really doesn't like the concept behind it. These people who treat others this way are all about the 'fastest time' or the armor or the items that will improve their characters. They are spamming these DF's constantly. Are they really going to care about vanity items that do nothing for them? And if they do, how long of 'playing nice' do you think it will take them to get everything. Once there is nothing else to get do you really think they will continue playing nice without a reason? This will either fix it for a short time or not really do anything to help the issue.

[Crica]

All i'm saying now is this is a temporary fix, a band-aid and everyone that I know that I have spoken too really doesn't like the concept behind it. These people who treat others this way are all about the 'fastest time' or the armor or the items that will improve their characters. They are spamming these DF's constantly. Are they really going to care about vanity items that do nothing for them? And if they do, how long of 'playing nice' do you think it will take them to get everything. Once there is nothing else to get do you really think they will continue playing nice without a reason? This will either fix it for a short time or not really do anything to help the issue.

then dont help out random strangers if you dont want to, i dont see the issue of SE trying to help rather then do nothing

personally, im going to continue to use DF - im not as lucky as you seem to be and dont have friends online everytime i am, so when i would like to run group content when no one i know happens to be online, the DF is a great way for me to be able to do so

and with the feature, it will be an incentive for ppl to play nice in order to get points

and if not, i will still use the DF cuz i have yet to run into anyone that i can not simply ignore and continue to run the dungeons anyway (or I just afk till the nerdrager decides to leave lol... i have two accounts, i just play my second one when that RARELY happens)