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  1. #11
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    SzaaKarna's Avatar
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    Szaa Karna
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    Ragnarok
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    re: stoneskin - I see it as banking a cure to be proactive, so I dont have to scramble on the big hits. I guess I havent seen any problems with MP keeping it up - maybe i've just been blessed with good tanks
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  2. #12
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    Someonewithclap's Avatar
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    Eara Weaver
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    Malboro
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    No reason to cast stoneskin in the middle of a fight, unless your buffering the damage of a specific attack-like intro into p2 garuda.

    Like others have said, manage your cooldowns. Keep running dungeons and as you get better gear and a better feel for mana managment through practice you will find yourself not as mana-starved.
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  3. #13
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    zaviermhigo's Avatar
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    Zavier Mhigo
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Sometimes its just a bad tank. I mean WAR are harder to heal than PLD, due to a lack of damage negation, this is where a SCH helping you out as a WHM should work, giving them the negation they lack, but honestly, I've seen WAR that were hard to heal, and WAR that were easy to heal, and I have to believe that depends on their own player skill and knowing how to effectively play WAR without being a hot hp mess. Still going to take more dmg than pld regardless, but I notice a lot of time a SCH and WHM working in tandem to heal a WAR, is a lot easier for both healers, than two whm, or two sch (definitely easier than two sch, two whm only prob is over heal)
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  4. #14
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    Cyril_Nex's Avatar
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    Cyril Nex
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    Coeurl
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Shroud of saints is key. It is a very good mana regenerating tool and as soon as Fall to about 75% mana, I use it to regen to near full
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  5. #15
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    Bridgeburner's Avatar
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    Doctor Witch
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 86
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigpurpleharness View Post
    18%, but yeah even then it's not efficient for use in battle unless it's to save a big hit when your MP is overflowing, you're right.
    I disagree, but I don't see it just in terms of hp per mana efficiency. Take a look at mechanics. There's something Stoneskin can do that Cure2 can't -- it effectively extends the top range of the tank's health. Got a little downtime and know the boss throws huge attacks on the regular? Been a while since you've seen the big hit and know one's coming up? Got a near-full bar with nothing to do? Get a Stoneskin on that tank. That next major hit won't land as hard, making the rest of your reaction and rotation easier to manage.


    Back on topic, as far as managing HP, try Shroud at 75% -- and if you've got a Bard, ask for Mage's Ballad. Healing WAR over PLD is a mana-intensive task; they trade a lot of mitigation for that deeper HP pool.
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  6. #16
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    PetiteMalFleur's Avatar
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    Viva Diva
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Are you using cure 1 over cure 2? For me I just focus most of my healing on the tank with regen and cure one. I'll only use cure 2 if I get a freebie or the tank ate a big aoe and is at risk of dying in the next two hits. Throw regen on other party members without cure unless they are very low and need the need the extra boost. Remember regen will give them about 1000hp healing so even at half health they should be fine unless the they are continously taking a lot of damage. Use the healing buff to help the party recover from a large aoe instead of spamming medica. Try to avoid medica if you can. I also agree with the use of stoneskin. I throw it up on the whole party before moving into a new area. It reduces my need for initial healing. I'll reapply it to the tank and dps during "down times" as well.

    Also, don't try to keep everyone at full health. If they are at half health but not taking damage use regen, or cure 1 if your mana is depleted, and they'll be fine.
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    Last edited by PetiteMalFleur; 09-21-2013 at 04:06 AM.

  7. #17
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    Jarlax's Avatar
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    Jarlax Gennocide
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    Ultros
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by SzaaKarna View Post
    re: stoneskin - I see it as banking a cure to be proactive, so I dont have to scramble on the big hits. I guess I havent seen any problems with MP keeping it up - maybe i've just been blessed with good tanks
    As well as passively healing 6.7k + HP war tanks then SS is amazing 8p Definetly a situational tool.
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  8. #18
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    Mariwanna Kushi
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    Phoenix
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Please help! I am also having a horrendous MP shortage problem. I was barely able to make it through Brayflox and I greatly fear the rest of the dungeons because I know that there's no chance I will be able to get through them without running out of mana and popping a hi-ether at every possible opportunity. I hope that this Saint's Shroud ability is good, I am only level 36 so I have 2 more levels before I get it. Anyway, my question is should I respend my stat points? As of now, I have put every single point into Mind. When I reach level 50, should I put 100% of my points in piety instead? I do not see what use I will be as a healer who runs out of mana every 5 minutes so I guess this is what I have to do right? I used to love being a healer but now I can't solo long leves or do dungeons without being out of mana after 2 fights so the fun is really gone. It sucks having to stand there and watch the dds die because you only have enough mana to heal the tank.
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  9. #19
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    Brody Algana
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    Coeurl
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    It depends on how you are running out of mana in dungeons. Are you DPS or tank for that matter, taking lots of damage they should be dodging (get out of red)? Are you using Cure 1 mostly? Are you spaming medica? The only boss/fight I had trouble with before i got shroud was the last boss of blayflox - and that is just a *****, most people will run low on that fight.
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  10. #20
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    Brody Algana
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    Coeurl
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Laume View Post
    Sorry, I should have mentioned that I almost always keep regen on the tank (and other melee's when I have the free time). Stoneskin I don't usually have a chance to cast during battle. It seems like it comes off almost immediately when the tank gets hit by a boss-type mob. Not to mention the casting time is so long, a lot of times the tank will be near death (from full health) when I cast stoneskin.
    Don't use regen on DPS unless you ABSOLUTELY have to. If they take a random AOE hit, heal them with a cure 1, if that doesn't top them off, they don't need to be topped off - they aren't the one tanking - they SHOULDN'T be taking much damage except random hits, others they should be dodging. Using this philosophy you have the chance to proc free cure more too for Cure 2's on your tank if needed.
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