HM Titan: Duty Finder Discussion

[PiedPiper]

It can be done easily enough with two tanks, it's just what players prefer.

I failed to make this clear, but I entirely agree. My fc's progression win came with a pld and warrior in group. There is a use for a secondary tank in this fight (Hate bounce to seperate mountain buster damage and preceeding auto attack damage, fall back in case of accident, or simply the fact that warrior is decent dps with so much health they'll be the last one up).

I was merely pointing out that your suggestion is rather complex and requires an entire re-working of content. Changing the duty finder party list would be much simpler.

Realistically though, I think the reason so many people are struggling with this fight is purely gear related. The fight is fairly obviously balanced for a party in full ilvl60-70, mostly 70. Most people who need to pug this fight (ie: not in an FC able to get teh win internally), however, will not be full DL, meaning the odds of a full DL pug group are fairly low.

Edit:

Titan is a huge step up from Garuda. Prior to titan, there is virtually no gear requirement for any of the content. So many players (particularly those fresh to endgame) have an underdeveloped sense of the importance of gear. Hence the endless "lololol skill > gear i can solo anything forever cus I push the same few buttons better than you do." Fights like Titan, however, are very obvious number games. He requires x total dps or you time out on heart / to final stomp build up. He requires x health (i think its about 3.4k-3.5k) to safely survive last phase stomps without much stress. He requires x health for the tank to be useful (for pld, its somewehre around 5.2k, once you are up to 5.8k its nearly trivial to take mountain buster even without cool downs).

[BlossomRose]

You might be right and the gear requirements on the Duty Finder will fix the problem.

But it's kind of frustrating when you're a tank and can't find a group because groups only take one tank, usually already have a geared tank (who might already have his relic and thus doesn't NEED Titan), and so on.

Considering ALL OTHER CONTENT requires one tank per 4 people, why make Titan different? Why hamstring tanks on the last step of the Relic quest?

[Fuz]

You might be right and the gear requirements on the Duty Finder will fix the problem.

To be honest, I'm pretty confident that the gear requirements of the duty finder will be way, WAY lower than what people are asking now.
Will be fun seeing it in use, either way.

But it's kind of frustrating when you're a tank and can't find a group because groups only take one tank, usually already have a geared tank (who might already have his relic and thus doesn't NEED Titan), and so on.

I doubt it... the numbers of DPS and healers in this game far exceed the tanks numbers.

[BlossomRose]

To be honest, I'm pretty confident that the gear requirements of the duty finder will be way, WAY lower than what people are asking now.
Will be fun seeing it in use, either way.



I doubt it... the numbers of DPS and healers in this game far exceed the tanks numbers.

I'm talking from experience. People who want into Titan groups either: 1) already have a tank, 2) aren't geared enough. Good, geared players always seem to already have a tank, and I just sit in Mor all day hoping to see a group that isn't going to be led by someone in artifact armor trying to get carried.

Tried leading a few groups myself, but always landed on people who claimed to know the fight and to be geared, and they are usually geared as claimed, but who die to bombs and pools and ten wipes in still aren't better.

[Hachiko]

I failed to make this clear, but I entirely agree. My fc's progression win came with a pld and warrior in group. There is a use for a secondary tank in this fight (Hate bounce to seperate mountain buster damage and preceeding auto attack damage, fall back in case of accident, or simply the fact that warrior is decent dps with so much health they'll be the last one up).

I just want to point out that a WAR is actually lower DPS than a PLD when not tanking. Though Storm's Eye would probably put a MT PLD and OT WAR slightly above 2x PLD, but only very slightly (maybe 3-6% ish difference). The most DPS you can have out of 2 tanks would be MT WAR OT PLD.