Endgame Progression, Elitism and You

[Kayo]

it is mathematics we talking about here.

Just out of curiosity. Where is this "math"? Who has subjectively proven that it is impossible to defeat X content with Y gear? I dont think that "OMG that Bard keeps getting 1 shotted!" is viable. Hell, ill take a devs word for it too ... theyd probably know. Obviously there is a problem since they plan to gear gate the DF but it seems to me these so called "elitist" are pulling their minimum gear requirments out of their smug lil'ass.

[KimimiAvesta]

Whenever I'm running CM I can't help but laugh at the two imperials near the coffer. WORST. GUARDS. EVER.

They should add something of a small "sound aggro" radius so you can walk behind a mob, but not run...

We need some comics made about the "security" in the Castrum XD

[Talma]

We should save the dolphins

[foehnweisz]

OP took his time in attempt to create a guide and contribute to the community from his perspective. Even if you disagree with some points, you can at least try to respect that.

I'm sure everyone's been through this - you join a pug and try to complete a dungeon, yet the tank isn't pulling aggro, mobs killing the healer, or have your dps constantly die to avoidable aoes. Are you an elitist for being doubtful and frustrated that the party might not succeed even after many explained attempts?

Sadly there is no real way to check for skill level or in other words, familiarity with the game. But gear can assist your output, at least show that you put some time into end game. After attempting HM Titan I can be sure as heck that you'd be more willing to take someone that's full DL than full AF.

But extremity is never the answer. OP simply said no to a Garuda attempt as he feared might be improbable to pull off. He isn't declaring all undergeared folks to be garbage, in fact he made this post to guide them along. Nor is it okay to subject yourself to constant failure only because someone asked, simply to wipe the harsh reality that some bosses require a gear check.

If no amount of reasoning will be convincing enough for you, I'll just say what OP or anyone sharing this perspective seems to be holding back: you have no right to cry when someone geared refuses take you along for a run. They have their gauge of the difficulty and they obviously played a heck of a lot more. Don't then proceed to put yourself into the cradle of a baby and vomit on their boots. Take your pride and seek help else where. There will be geared players attempting to try the run as everyone gauges difficulty differently.

[XyleHarkyn]

We need some comics made about the "security" in the Castrum XD

Shh. It might get ninja nerfed. :P

[Zanther]

a well written endgame guide
we already have an endgame guide on another thread though



yes, the mobs are bugged, imo
if you can run through them from behind without them noticing, what other words can describe it?
the field of view of the mobs are broken, only about 90° in front of them
it's silly that they can't detect us running & jumping behind them

Except the fact that....I dont know......every single mob in the game being designed like that. You call bugged, I call poor design. There are no rules being broken if mobs are poorly designed this way, as there is no bug in the game code that you are taking advantage of. Do you report everyone who runs behind mobs out in the world as they're questiong? Did you report every ninja in FFXI for tanking? Want to bitch about something? Bitch about SE fixing the way all mobs in the game behave.

[The-Alchemist]

Where do level 55 rings, wrist and necklace drop for white mage. I have yet to see any of those items drop in AK of palace

[Zanther]

Oh, they drop there. Loot drops are random and random means you'll see the same item for 20 runs in a row and that item you want will drop once.

Because its "random"...

[CatholicFan]

Nice little guide. I can tell the OP put some thought into it.

One thing I would counter with, though, is that the game does tell you what to do at 50 if you're paying attention. If you're just FATE grinding your first job to 50 and doing the bare minimum of main-story questing, then I suppose the game doesn't really clue you in. However, if you're playing it like an RPG, you can find out pretty much everything you need to do that the OP mentions. The first time I did Dzemael Darkhold and got Tomestones of Philosophy, the pop-up Active Help told me what they were, and where to turn them in (that's right, I never turned off the help boxes). Because I try to do all the side quests, I naturally discovered Wanderer's Palace. Given that the game gave me that before Amdapor Keep, I naturally assumed that's the next dungeon to grind through. Also, given that WP was unlocked before the HM primals, it's probably safe to assume you should be gearing up with that before them, too.

It seems that playing these games like they're actually still RPG's is a bit unpopular, but it's not hard to see what to do next when you do it this way. Because I've cleared the quests in a given area, when a new one pops up because I've leveled something up or completed a task, it's really easy to see what to do next.

My suggestion would be to retitle your thread to something like... "Endgame Progression for people that don't like RPG's"

[Pwnagraphic]

You can take on Garuda in only AF.. Won't be as easy, but it's doable.


Titan on the other hand. You need to be geared for that.