Endgame Progression, Elitism and You

[Tigerwong]

If I were the healer, unless the undergeared tank is from my FC plus the person is guaranteed to stay in the FC in the future, there is no other circumstance I will take an undergeared tank. Why would I want to cast heal 3 times everytime the tank is hit, when I can heal only 2 times with an averagely geared tank? Whose gonna give me back the extra mana I spent?

It's reality. No one wants to do extra work.

Yes you can beat HM Titan, but sorry they used to beat it even faster and easier. It was you who put extra pressure on the remaining 7 people.

If you are so sure that you, the undergeared one, is actually carrying them back, you can advertise youself saying, "If I don't top the (insert parser name) dps meter, I pay everyone 10k GIL". I'm pretty sure you will get a group very soon. If you are not THAT confident, go gear up and play normally like everyone does.

[Xariann]

Garuda really doesn't require more than AF unless you're the main tank.

And so the tanks have to work harder than everyone else while the DPS fails to kill the feathers.

[Kinseykinz]

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So, I want to be clear, I looked up your character profile to help you. I also know it can be a little out of date. Here's however why people are unwilling to let you tank some of these battles:

1. Your MRD/WAR is level 50 (good ) ....but, your GLA/PLD is only level 16. This means you are missing a fair amount of 'Tanking Abilities'
2. In addition to this, your PGL/MNK is only level 6. Again, this means you are missing several key tanking skills.
Link: http://www.ffxivinfo.com/job/warrior.php Just so you can see what you are missing.
3. Warriors, especially under-geared/low HP Warriors, with little Cross-class Damage Reduction Skills absorb a Healers MP pool like a sponge. You're quite frankly, much harder to keep alive than even a PLD in similar gear/lack of cross-skills.

Now, you said you have some I60 level gear. That's good. But your bigger issue is you want to Tank on WAR, without the cross-skills you need to effectively do it. You could have full darklight, but without skills like Second Wind, and Awareness, you are making a healers job (and the parties) needlessly difficult-impossible.

I am not trying to be an ass or mean in anyway. The game has been out a month. You shouldn't be ready for all of this yet. Garuda+ Content is really for people who have a Main Job and their Sub-classes leveled fully, with the gil and tomes to invest in upper gear. The Coil is for fully-geared/reliced groups who've exhausted all other content.

[Volcano]

And so the tanks have to work harder than everyone else while the DPS fails to kill the feathers.

Actually, no, they just have to be smart and attack them. She is still correct. regardless of if you accept it or not, DPS don't need more then AF. For either HM primals. Maybe if you are under skilled and you feel you need the best possible gear to make up for your lack of. then i can see why you would need more then AF i guess.

[Xariann]

Am I the only one here who feels bad about going somewhere while still undergeared and putting strain on the rest of my party?

The OP at least spent a good amount of time trying to show what to do once you hit 50. I have people, both friends and in FC, who tell me that I need to gear up for stuff whenever I ask about the requirements of a new dungeon I don't know about (well I know them now, but that was when I had just hit 50). Then they will tell me WHERE to go to get the gear. And some would come with me to help me get it. What is wrong with that?

Why would I want to force them to come and surely wipe because of me being the weak link in the chain? It's very different from saying, "OK FC, let's go do this encounter nobody here ever did to see how it's like." What I see instead is people asking to be carried. And this is coming from someone who DOESN'T have the gear to do Titan HM, not from someone who already has it and doesn't want "lowly newbies" to join her.

[Xariann]

Actually, no, they just have to be smart and attack them. She is still correct. regardless of if you accept it or not, DPS don't need more then AF. For either HM primals. Maybe if you are under skilled and you feel you need the best possible gear to make up for your lack of. then i can see why you would need more then AF i guess.

I love how people automatically assume that people suck and attack someone personally to make their point. Actually, I am not a DPS. And I have seen runs fail because DPS didn't kill the feathers in the NORMAL Garuda, and been told how that is a problem in Garuda HM as well.

So maybe those DPS were unskilled, or maybe people are lazy and want to do stuff without spending a little more time so they can DO a little more than just going with the bare minimum gear and strain the rest? I am sure the better geared players who are making up for the "very skilled players" with little gear appreciate this.

And before you say anything, yes you can have players with good gear who suck. You can't measure player skill beforehand but you can measure gear, unless of course you know the people you are doing the runs with, but this was never a discussion about individual skill.

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I want to make sure I go above and beyond what a party expects from me, I don't want to bring the bare minimum. It's a matter of personal pride.