Heals for Scholors need a buff

[puca]

'No one's asking to be a WHM. People want just one aoe heal that doesn't suck and a controllable fairy.'

I am all for pet improvements for SCH. But asking for better AoE is silly because SCH with a better AoE will obsolete WHM due to the fact SCH also can pre-shield and have amazing longevity.

[fanservice]

I am all for pet improvements for SCH. But asking for better AoE is silly because SCH with a better AoE will obsolete WHM due to the fact SCH also can pre-shield and have amazing longevity.

Ok, how would having one AOE heal equal to a standard medica assuming either succor's potency is increased, or SCHs get a copy of medica while still retaining succor at its current (lack of) strength would make WHM's obsolete? They still have cure iii, medica ii, regen stacking, and the fact 2 WHM's would abuse all of the above and be better than 2 SCH's even if medica was usable by SCHs tomorrow.

I'm not trying to insult you here, it's just that I'm pretty sure at least two other people said this to me, I asked them the same question, and I have yet to get an answer. I really would like to know what makes people say this.

The longevity isn't an issue for WHM's either with bards, shroud of saints, and cure spamming until freecure triggers.

[Kalagg]

Snip of every quote you have made in this thread...

You are obviously a fail Scholar.

Please just go play White Mage so you get all the great abilities you want and stop trying to change a Job that is perfectly fine. You want all the White Mage abilities on the Scholar job, why don't you just go play White Mage so you are happy.

Its really simple and I'll even explain how to do it for you since you have a hard time grasping game concepts, unequip that grimoire you are holding as your main hand weapon and put a conjurer's arm weapon in there instead. BAM! problem solved.

[fanservice]

You are obviously a fail Scholar.

Please just go play White Mage so you get all the great abilities you want and stop trying to change a Job that is perfectly fine. You want all the White Mage abilities on the Scholar job, why don't you just go play White Mage so you are happy.

Its really simple and I'll even explain how to do it for you since you have a hard time grasping game concepts, unequip that grimoire you are holding as your main hand weapon and put a conjurer's arm weapon in there instead. BAM! problem solved.

Says job is perfectly fine while ACN have nonsensical, unintuitive pet control. Ok.

Rerolling to ignore a problem doesn't make the problem magically fix itself. Pretty sure that doesn't work anywhere else, or else I'd ignore my bills for months on end.

Not going to repeat myself any further for you. I'm done debating for now.

[Kalagg]

Not going to repeat myself any further for you. I'm done debating for now.

If it was an actual debate you might have a point, you are just whining that you don't have the same skills as a White Mage. Its a super simple fix, its called go play the White Mage.

Everyone keeps bitching about the pet AI, it isn't as horrible as everyone claims. The problem is the pet isn't playing the way you do so immediately it's broken. Other than Selene's silence skill, which I have no idea its proper use yet but I also haven't tried figuring it out, these fairies are great for cleaning up the party so I can focus on the tank if necessary.

As others have pointed out you are trying to keep people at max health like a White Mage would. You don't have to do that as a scholar because that shield picks up the slack as does your fairy. You are bad at the class and want it changed for your playstyle. How about you go play the class that matches your playstyle.

[fanservice]

As others have pointed out you are trying to keep people at max health like a White Mage would. You don't have to do that as a scholar because that shield picks up the slack as does your fairy. You are bad at the class and want it changed for your playstyle. How about you go play the class that matches your playstyle.

I like how when I mention succor and sacred soil are too weak, people think I'm advocating for regen, medica ii, and cure iii for scholars... or maybe you didn't read anything I posted, and assumed that's what I ment.

I'm nice enough to give you a tl;dr version:

I really didn't talk about keeping people at max health, or giving SCH all of the WHM's shiny toys; for having less than half of the raw AOE healing power of the aforementioned WHM spells, the damage mitigation from succor, and sacred soil are mathematically too weak, made worse by a lack of a working simple 'toggle auto use' like WoW had in their UI for pets. When it comes to healing off AOE damage, again, succor is a half of a medica. Casting it more than once is mostly a waste since half the investment is in the shield, that doesn't add on to itself. That is all.

Increasing succor's healing on targets under the effects of adloquium is a cool idea though.

[Marcusow86]

Everyone keeps bitching about the pet AI, it isn't as horrible as everyone claims. The problem is the pet isn't playing the way you do so immediately it's broken. Other than Selene's silence skill, which I have no idea its proper use yet but I also haven't tried figuring it out, these fairies are great for cleaning up the party so I can focus on the tank if necessary.

The AI of fairy is flawed, not sure intended or not but it is surely flawed. Like i mentioned in other thread, fairy's healing range is much lower than her skill range. She won't heal if you place her at her maximum healing range. How is that not a flaw?

[Eriane]

The longevity isn't an issue for WHM's either with bards, shroud of saints, and cure spamming until freecure triggers.

Cure 3 = meh.
However, i do take issue with you saying that white mages longevity is fine with the use of another class. Whether or not it is true the bards abilities apply to everyone equally and should not be taken into account when talking about a class and its personal balance.

If you think freecure procs somehow save the day consider that it procs off a single target heal and is up for 15 sec. Its hardly reliable.

You are talking about aoe healing situations. Whm aoe healing drains mana just like anything else and the only source of oh sh*t regen is also our threat reduction when playing a class that can potentially generate alot of threat. Particularly through over healing which does happen with crits and the like if you do things like say... "cure spamming until freecure triggers"....

I don't see why it would be game breaking if after a shield was on a target the same aoe heal did a little more actual healing to help scholars. But don't trivialize the issues that other classes may have just because you have yours.

[fanservice]

Cure 3 = meh.
However, i do take issue with you saying that white mages longevity is fine with the use of another class. Whether or not it is true the bards abilities apply to everyone equally and should not be taken into account when talking about a class and its personal balance.

Just saying, it's a bit of a stretch to not have a bard in an 8 man, even with DF given how popular they're becoming, though I understand where you're coming from with the 'personal balance' thing.

[puca]

Ok, how would having one AOE heal equal to a standard medica assuming either succor's potency is increased, or SCHs get a copy of medica while still retaining succor at its current (lack of) strength would make WHM's obsolete? They still have cure iii, medica ii, regen stacking, and the fact 2 WHM's would abuse all of the above and be better than 2 SCH's even if medica was usable by SCHs tomorrow.

The longevity isn't an issue for WHM's either with bards, shroud of saints, and cure spamming until freecure triggers.

Bards that use mana song kill their DPS. A guild that didn't need to manage WHM mana could either drop a bard, or get bards to concentrate on damage. The reason SCH with medica will obsolete WHM is the same reason discipline priests obsoleted holy priests in WoW, even though holy priests had far better healing burst. Pre-shielding is just that good (and discipline priest didn't have an infinite mana pet spamming heals either).

Any healing meter will show SCH outhealing WHM _now_, even without buffs, on any fight.