Hatching-Tide: Case-Cracked 5/9

[SuzakuCMX]

Community = whiners. Whine about everything no matter what.

Go ahead and do what you want Yoshida.

[Nuru]

Community = whiners. Whine about everything no matter what.

Go ahead and do what you want Yoshida.

Aye, most importantly, stick close to Tanaka and help this game become what he envisioned. :3

[SuzakuCMX]

Aye, most importantly, stick close to Tanaka and help this game become what he envisioned. :3

I don't care as long as the game is fun to play. Tanaka had a great vision but it is apparently hard to actually implement...plus I still have resentment towards Tanaka for how...I don't know how to phrase this...badly he left the game in shambles. It looks like he was really lazy with just about every aspect of the game. A vision is fine and all but the game wasn't/isn't even close to what his vision was.

[Xenor]

Community = whiners. Whine about everything no matter what.

Go ahead and do what you want Yoshida.

Agreed.

This game has one of the worst communities of any online game I've ever played.

[zaviermhigo]

Agreed.

This game has one of the worst communities of any online game I've ever played.

I talk about this all the time. That's why in the player run company thread, i said no to them because it won't fix the community.

[Starlord]

Agreed.

This game has one of the worst communities of any online game I've ever played.

Sadly.. I have to agree I hate agree with things like this but its true .. sigh..

But at least not all of us are whiners and complainers eh? =)

Lets be grateful for small mercies =)

[Nuru]

Sadly.. I have to agree I hate agree with things like this but its true .. sigh..

But at least not all of us are whiners and complainers eh? =)

Lets be grateful for small mercies =)

I am displeased with it as well, but for the most part, we must help make this game become what it was supposed to be. Everyone has different visions, and it just doesn't work sometimes. People kinda have to think "inside" the box that has a label "Final Fantasy" on it, and not "Other MMORPG Ideas."

That is the bottom line here. Once we establish a common basis for our ideas, and after we start realizing what sort of ideas are being accepted and which ones aren't, only then will we be able to stay on the same page together and fix this game.

[Starlord]

I am displeased with it as well, but for the most part, we must help make this game become what it was supposed to be. Everyone has different visions, and it just doesn't work sometimes. People kinda have to think "inside" the box that has a label "Final Fantasy" on it, and not "Other MMORPG Ideas."

That is the bottom line here. Once we establish a common basis for our ideas, and after we start realizing what sort of ideas are being accepted and which ones aren't, only then will we be able to stay on the same page together and fix this game.

I totally agree, this game is still young yet, and Most of the Groundwork patches have already been implemented, Which is the main reason why our first real big patch is coming next month. Only thing really left now is The Battle system changes after that I would expect Content patches and hotfixes here and there till they finally release the PS3 Verison of the game, at which point after the first month of it being launched, SE can decide ok its time to Put a monthly fee on this game now that we fix it for the FFXIV community.

And what they are doing right now as far as Letting us play for free, Making this Game playable by the time we start playing, and also the big part, waisting tons and TONS of money to make this game right for us as were playing for free, SE should get some gratitude for the people who are sticking around. Not saying to praise them like there holy god and they do everything right no, but show a little appreciation for there hard efforts they are doing to make this game right =).

[Amsai]

I am displeased with it as well, but for the most part, we must help make this game become what it was supposed to be. Everyone has different visions, and it just doesn't work sometimes. People kinda have to think "inside" the box that has a label "Final Fantasy" on it, and not "Other MMORPG Ideas."

That is the bottom line here. Once we establish a common basis for our ideas, and after we start realizing what sort of ideas are being accepted and which ones aren't, only then will we be able to stay on the same page together and fix this game.

I high lighted that first part specifically. These are your own words. How is this any different from the "whiners and complainers"? In all honesty if we are going to call people whiners and complainers, doesn't that include pretty much everyone that has a specific vision for the game and are vocal about it? Everyone does have different visions of how this game should be, and thats why we have people disagreeing on these forums. However, everyone is in fact entitled to their opinion and can disagree with others. Just because they disagree with your opinion doesnt make them wrong or children.

The devs for better or worse created these official forums, because they wanted to better communicate with us (which I commend them on). This communication runs both ways. They give us info about upcoming features and what their plans are on a given subject, but they have said many times that they also want to hear from us the players. Is this communication working? Yes. Was it the best choice? Probably not. I see problems with arguments on these forums all the time, and I think that could have been avoided by not having forums and just having more Players Polls instead. From the other angle, while I do appreciate the devs communication, I do think that they hold back info a bit too long.

I definately agree with you on that second paragraph. However, that gets into my issue with this games lack of direction for so long. Now we have Yoshi-P, so I have been looking forward to great changes. The problem is that we dont have specifics and are often not told a general time-line on many things. Now we know that in mid-June we will have the beginning changes to the battle system, but the devs failed to mention how soon the rest of the battle changes would come. And with us being this close to those changes, there is no way that the devs don't know what the new battle system will look like (i.e. they cant make changes if they dont know what they are doing). Given that, I am pretty sure they already know how a lot of the new systems and any changes they make will work out, but they arent telling us????

Once we can get more specific information about what they will do, and not vague or cryptic answers, then we can all get on the same page. Because if Yoshi-P came out on a lot of the topics in one of his letters and told us how things were and what they were going to do, I'd have far less issues. Now I might disagree, but if Yoshi-P told us this is how it will be and you can take it or leave it, then that would be it. And a decent confirmation on things as well as a timeline if applicable. At that point I'd know how the game was going to turn out, approximately when it would have x, y, or z features, and a general layout of the direction of the game as well as a deeper understanding of Yoshi-P's vision. And if I didnt like it I'd either deal with it or leave. And I don't think I am the only one. There are many people that just want to know what this game's finished product will look like so that they can re-dedicate themselves to this game, resign themsleves to the way things are, or quit and move on to another game. And for those that might not exactly love the new direction, but are still willing to stay, you'd probably see far less arguments from them. The arguments you would see would be based upon a common basis for our ideas, and what sort of ideas are being accepted and which ones aren't in accordance with Yoshi-Ps vision.

[SirEdeonX]

Agreed.

This game has one of the worst communities of any online game I've ever played.

Not really. We have a very good community - the ones who play. The majority of ppl whining around here just don't play, so these foruns have a very bad community, not the game ;P Everyone in the game is fantastic.