Gear level, the final nail in the games coffin.

[SKYeXile]

I saw this shout on chat "LFG xxx Only well geared and experienced! I will perform inspection on gear"
I just skip those.

If im pugging, they're the groups i join, atleast there's some standard to them.

Then you need to only worry about bad's and not bad's in bad gear too.

[blowfin]

Wow, amazing that people are up in arms about this. The only people who lose are those who are punching out of their weight division currently. Apart from that everyone else wins!

It won't encourage discrimination because you simply won't be able to do the fight!

It's a natural progression to tier the dungeons properly because they're actually designed with a certain iLvl in mind.

Actually I think that people against gearscore are more elitest and selfish than anyone else in this game.

I think "scrub" is the term you're looking for there. Someone who wants to impose their incorrect will on the rest of the playerbase.

[Inuakurei]

Actually I think that people against gearscore are more elitest and selfish than anyone else in this game.

It's usually people like that who show up to content under geared and expect everyone else to just deal with them. They think that they don't need to gear up to beat difficult end game content, they believe that they are so good at the game that they don't need gear and can do just as well as anyone else who does have gear.

Either that or they know they don't stand a chance but they don't care and do it anyway hoping to get carried. These people don't care about the other people in the group who want to have a fair chance at clearing content, putting their personal "lol that was fun" enjoyment over any chance of actually beating the content.

They also get offended if you tell them they need to get better gear before doing that content. They flat out don't listen and act like their awesomeness can overcome any amount of gear or stats and that it's other people that need to do better.

That to me it the most elitest, selfish thing you can do.

[Asiaine]

Gear level requirements are interesting... but some questions:

1) How 'high' will the requirement be compared to what is needed? (Does it make it mandatory to have 'top' equipment, or only filter out 'really bad' equipment).
2) Can we change equipment in the dungeon? (Equip super douper equipment to get chosen, but then switch to low level equipment to avoid damage/repairs?)
3) Can we bypass the restriction if we build our own parties (say, we want to test out a Reindeer Suit run?)

[Inuakurei]

Gear level requirements are interesting... but some questions:

1) How 'high' will the requirement be compared to what is needed? (Does it make it mandatory to have 'top' equipment, or only filter out 'really bad' equipment).
2) Can we change equipment in the dungeon? (Equip super douper equipment to get chosen, but then switch to low level equipment to avoid damage/repairs?)
3) Can we bypass the restriction if we build our own parties (say, we want to test out a Reindeer Suit run?)

1. Most likely not very high since they want this to be a casual friendly game. Expect to see lots of posts like, "Only ONE piece of DL needed for Garuda?! Really SE?!", when it gets implemented.

2. Repairs aren't too high anymore. I doubt people would do that.

3. Not sure.

[MisakiSatomi]

I just got Titan HM(and Garuda HM i guess) with a Japanese PUG, nobody died in the 3rd(?) time and we got through it. I only have 2 DL so I guess you would say I was carried through the heart(I need to contribute too anyway) but full DL can't save you from AOEs and we all dodged them.

[Yashnaheen]

It would be nice if #3 happens. Need to pass a gear check to queue for DF, but no check for full parties.

[blowfin]

It would be nice if #3 happens. Need to pass a gear check to queue for DF, but no check for full parties.

I doubt it will, just as there are level requirements currently on dungeons, there will be iLvl requirements on them in future.

It would be like trying to enter a lvl 45 dungeon with a lvl 40 player in your party, not going to happen.

[CUTS3R]

It's usually people like that who show up to content under geared and expect everyone else to just deal with them. They think that they don't need to gear up to beat difficult end game content, they believe that they are so good at the game that they don't need gear and can do just as well as anyone else who does have gear.

I totally agree, the combination of skill and gear is the ONLY reliable way to assess a player efficiency.
Anyone saying he only needs either of those is just wrong, period.

No matter how good you can be dressed in underwear and using a wooden plank, if you're in middle of a war it will never beat a body armor and a rifle. Im being metaphorical here but Its pretty much the same on FFXIV ( or rather every MMOs )

Anyway, as long as the gearscore system is not so different from the CR system from DCUO ( the only other MMO on PS3 ) i will be happy.

[April_Fool]

but I'd liked how in XI, in those end-game raids and the like, people didn't complain about your gear. They just had fun doign it, win or lose. I'd like to at least get XI's awesome community back.

What... theres no way this "FFXI" your talking about is Final Fantasy 11, if so get level 99 wear nothing but AF1 and go try to find a group for something. because last time i played FFXI about 8 months ago my AF3+2 wasn't "good enough" to do the current end game. As for your "Awesome FFXI Community" you speak of feel free to go back to them their alive and well same hand full of people that were playing the game back when it started are STILL playing that game but if you think "They just had fun doign it, win or lose." exists that never existed spend 12 hours fighting Absolute Virtue then lose and see how happy they were just to be a part of it...

Anyway, as long as the gearscore system is not so different from the CR system from DCUO ( the only other MMO on PS3 ) i will be happy.

I also played DCUO on PS3 (Villian) I'm assuming item level will be the same as CR i remember back before DCUO had Combat Rating it was terrible fresh level 30's trying to get into end game content like FOS2, im just glad FFXIV has a process for getting to the binding coil or you would see fresh level 50's shouting for it.

Also I think the Dark light tank (no neck tin can with rabbit ears) looks dumb.

The next tier of gear up looks pretty much the same as AF but you can only get 300 of those Mythology tokens a week so you might as well start saving now the body alone is 875, and since Mythology is coming from The Binding Coil you can bet those points are going to be around for awhile, crystal tower is suppose to be a tier under the Coil from what I've heard to "prepair" you for the coil. Once Item Level gets put into effect your going to be FORCED into getting that dark light set.