This Bard stacking thing needs to be dealt with

[RathSkybreaker]

jeez, knock it off you 2, and get back into topic

What topic? That bard stacking is bad? If anything the only reason Bard is consistently topping dps charts is because melee DD are bad, I have one of the highest BRD dps in my FC , but a monk who knows what he's doing can easily out DPS a bard, it's all about rotation, but people yell nerf because they suck at their job.

The only job that is really under-powered is smn, they really got the short end of the stick, their damage, unless the smn is geared, is pretty bad. Even when geared it's arguable that their damage isn't that good.

[savant07]

What topic? That bard stacking is bad? If anything the only reason Bard is consistently topping dps charts is because melee DD are bad, I have one of the highest BRD dps in my FC , but a monk who knows what he's doing can easily out DPS a bard, it's all about rotation, but people yell nerf because they suck at their job.

The only job that is really under-powered is smn, they really got the short end of the stick, their damage, unless the smn is geared, is pretty bad. Even when geared it's arguable that their damage isn't that good.

Aren't summoners the top DPS right now? They have the highest sustained damage in game? In that regard, they're pretty darn useful then

[RathSkybreaker]

Aren't summoners the top DPS right now? They have the highest sustained damage in game? In that regard, they're pretty darn useful then

You're right they do have the highest sustain damage, but with DPS checks like titans heart, and most fights in coil which get really rough if you drag it out, it isn't really optimal mainly since burst damage is better in fights like that, and fester isn't really good enough to make up the difference.

@Ixsiehn it's a figure of speech, if someone says that something is "Too good" It gives the negative connotation that it is general bad, or noob , or whatever, and I agree, having 4 bards in a party is dumb, which is why I said like 4 posts ago that if you consider 2/8 class stacking you're being kind of silly, that's the point I'm defending, that's it. Btw, the OP was considering 2/8 class stacking, sooooooo, no misconceptions there, just baddies being baddies.

I'll also back up what Ark said, Melee DD are extremely punished in coil, it's insane, I have a lot of respect for people who can Dodge everything in that fight, easily the hardest role to play as of now in coil is a melee DD, I switched from DRG to BRD on Coil because my dodging was slowing us down and we needed a second bard for rotation. And in turn 4 some mobs can only be killed with magic, so I would venture to say that SMN potentially has some use there, but Idk, relic or bust really, the dot damage needs to be high for it to be worth it. After so many runs of carrying summoners it just gets troublesome to bring them to raids until their damage output is better. Could be the player, but not every player should have lower damage than the tank lol..

[Ixsiehn]

What topic? That bard stacking is bad? If anything the only reason Bard is consistently topping dps charts is because melee DD are bad, I have one of the highest BRD dps in my FC , but a monk who knows what he's doing can easily out DPS a bard, it's all about rotation, but people yell nerf because they suck at their job.

The only job that is really under-powered is smn, they really got the short end of the stick, their damage, unless the smn is geared, is pretty bad. Even when geared it's arguable that their damage isn't that good.

unsure where you get the idea that "bard stacking is bad", as you know, the topic itself and the OP stated that bard stacking is currently "too good" =O the rest of your post is kinda redundant because you're already coming into the topic with the wrong idea of what OP is trying to say >>;

[Arksniper]

unsure where you get the idea that "bard stacking is bad", as you know, the topic itself and the OP stated that bard stacking is currently "too good" =O the rest of your post is kinda redundant because you're already coming into the topic with the wrong idea of what OP is trying to say >>;

2/8 isnt stacking for dps i would consider 4/8 stacking as all the dd are stacked as bard...... 2 bards bring a shit load of utility to the party that no other class can.....

The OPs point is pointless. Untill SE makes a fight where melee dd's aren't punished so hard for standing near mobs in Coil ranged dd will all be better. And again using 2 of the same jobs isnt stacking....

[Ixsiehn]

snip.

Ultimately, i agree that 2/8 doesnt sound like its stacking, however, i also can understand from the OP's point of view, considering that in reality you only have 4 slots for dps, which pretty much means 2/4 are bards, that is 50% of your dps.

considering binding coil of bahamut is only an 8-man dungeon, its really hard to draw the line for stacking as just bringing in 2 of a certain class can change the numbers drastically (e.g. 2 paladin tanks turning into an "OMG the world first group used paladins for ALL their tanks, warriors are useless!!!" situation where that may not actually be the case).

P.S: the 1000 character limit needs to be higher =/ its extremely annoying

[shinros]

What topic? That bard stacking is bad? If anything the only reason Bard is consistently topping dps charts is because melee DD are bad, I have one of the highest BRD dps in my FC , but a monk who knows what he's doing can easily out DPS a bard, it's all about rotation, but people yell nerf because they suck at their job.

The only job that is really under-powered is smn, they really got the short end of the stick, their damage, unless the smn is geared, is pretty bad. Even when geared it's arguable that their damage isn't that good.

Why do you think summoner is underpowered? I generally agree that the ramp up time to do their dps is too long though. 7.5 seconds ouch.