Bahamut's Coil lockout needs to be addressed

[Crescent_Dusk]

I wish people would stop bringing terrible, outdated games with outdated mechanics to justify currently crappy mechanics.

It's pretty much like saying sexism in the workplace in western countries isn't so bad if we remember women were property before. It's a useless statement. The point is whether the current iteration is bad.

[Evilmog]

The point is whether the current iteration is bad.

And it isn't, that's what we're trying to explain. Not all of us want everything handed to us day 1.

[Crescent_Dusk]

And it isn't, that's what we're trying to explain. Not all of us want everything handed to us day 1.

Nothing's handed to you. Stop being a child and drop the hyperbole/strawmans. Tedium/arbitrary gating =/= effort.

Make the content difficult instead of a gear check. What's the point of making content obsolete by gearing up. The idea is that your execution of the fight is what got you through not some stat buffer.

[Valsh]

And it isn't, that's what we're trying to explain. Not all of us want everything handed to us day 1.

Not sure how you make the jump from wanting to be able to do the only end-game effectively more than once a week to "you want everything handed to you". I mean, it literally has nothing to do with the guys point at all - other than you projecting what you want to argue about.

[Evilmog]

When people refer to vanilla WoW they're not talking about WoW before any patches or new raids were put out, they're talking about WoW before patch 2.0

WoW before patch 2.0 is WoW before 2.0, not Vanilla. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software)

Not sure how you make the jump from wanting to be able to do the only end-game effectively more than once a week to "you want everything handed to you". I mean, it literally has nothing to do with the guys point at all - other than you projecting what you want to argue about.

Well, what other point is there to do it more than once a week other than loot? I mean hell sure, if loots out of the question do Coil as many times as ya want.

[Kintt]

WoW before patch 2.0 is WoW before 2.0, not Vanilla. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software)

No, Vanilla WoW is Wow before TBC, largely because there is no expansion pack to indicate which time period you are referring to when discussing the original game. dumb

It can also refer to the original game engine when expansion packs are available.

[SKYeXile]

I wish people would stop bringing terrible, outdated games with outdated mechanics to justify currently crappy mechanics.

It's pretty much like saying sexism in the workplace in western countries isn't so bad if we remember women were property before. It's a useless statement. The point is whether the current iteration is bad.

Well most people will say they infant enjoyed classic wow and hate the current iteration of wow, i was simply reminding people of how slow classic wows rate of obtaining gear was.

[Sebastien]

It's fine - this is how raiding is.

[Spythe]

I wish people would stop bringing outdated games with outdated mechanics to justify currently crappy mechanics.

It's pretty much like saying sexism in the workplace in western countries isn't so bad if we remember women were property before. It's a useless statement. The point is whether the current iteration is bad.

I would just go with outdated, I really wish people would let whatever past MMO they played mindset go so SE can bring people something new. The amount of people that are crying for dailies is just sad and pathetic, find out what sells on the MB and go farm it. Its literally the same time and effort as a daily but you're not told to do it once a day. Hopefully SE only focuses on the JP said of suggestions/complaints but if they actually listened to the NA forums we will be playing WoW 2.0 in a matter of months.