People WHO WANT A REAL SUMMONER pet class

[Aeonheart]

I agree with the OP.

For those of us who have played most FF games, this class feels nothing like what a summoner is supposed to be. It completely betrays the theme I think. It's underwhelming.

There are small things they could do to fix this I think:

1. Increase eggi detail and size.
2. Allow Enkindle animation to transform eggi to a full primal for a second. Just this animation change alone would make a big difference in the feel.

More complex changes:
1. Shift more summoner damage away from the player and more toward the eggi.
2. Allow for summoner to teach the eggi skills (similar to FFX), and make it more of a class whose number one learning curve priority is learning to customize and control your summon.

[Nemhy]

going through the thread it seems like people care more about what the damn pet looks like instead of how the Job actually plays.

[Dyvid]

The problem is people want this but fail to understand this is a MMO. FFXI had a lot of complaints that those summons where to big and annoying. The big ZOMG IFRIT summon is coming but it'll be a FC that summons them, not one single individual.

[ProphetMagnus]

going through the thread it seems like people care more about what the damn pet looks like instead of how the Job actually plays.

^This... I read through the entire thread hoping to find a response that wasn't written in frustration or defence. If someone is able to tell me, in proper English, what exactly they're after and what their basis of wanting it is (ie all I've seen is "this is not a summoner" yet no one has said what a summoner should be). Also links to sources which gives examples of what you want or that support your vision would help (and they should be from SE as they are the source material). If someone can do this, and structure an argument that isn't filled with trash talk and derogatory comments then ill listen for sure.

I'm all for people stating their opinion and I respect that for some people the classes in this game aren't what they wanted them to be - i play warrior and I would have expected something with that big an axe to be a DPS, and I also play Archer, turning into a Bard just doesn't sit right either but I respect the design of the game and the ecosystem of the world. And in this world it works somehow... But please, if that one person can give me the argument I described above then I think you'll find everyone in this thread that is not agreeing with you will - at least - be able to see things your way. Because as it stands, in my opinion from reading through the posts, the main complaint is that the summons are too small and that you're doing damage yourself as well as your summon...

[shinros]

I wanted something like this. The pet needs to interact more with the summoner you are meant to be a team. When I talk to scholars they say they feel like a team with their fairy I don't get that with summoner. I feel like a dot spellcaster I tend to even forget the summoner is there.

Yes I think they should be re worked slightly the pets need to interact more with the summoner.

Trayes wrote this in a topic. I think square should of went with something like this IMO.

I am sure no one cares what I think but I do not enjoy the dot summoner with lame pets. If i had to change the playstyle away from dots into something else it would look like this.

Ruin: 80 potency. Grants you and your pet a buff depending on what pet you have out.
(Ifrit: Grants the user and pet stacking buff that increases damage by 5%, stacks 2 times)
(Titan: Lowers damage taken by the user and the pet by 5% for 4 seconds. Does not stack)
(Garuda: Grants the user and the pet 3% spell speed. Stacks 4 times. Garuda gains double from this effect)

Ruin II: 80 potency. This spell and the pet do a special bonus attack.
(Ifrit: Apply a 15 potency dot for 18 seconds.) Both the player and the pet apply this dot.
(Titan: Gain health equal to damage dealt.) Both the player and the pet heal based on the damage of thier attack.
(Garuda: Deal half damage to all enemies near the target) Both the player and the pet do the aoe damage.)

Now these are just ideas of how I would have made the summoner feel closer to their pets while adding some depth to the overall playstyle of the summoner. Also this is me only changing 2 skills. I am sure I could give a huge list of ideas.

Like an aether flow spell that grants a party buff based on the summon out.
Garuda would buff move speed and spell speed
Titan would give everyone a small stone skin
Ifrit would add "Enfire" to all melee attacks

Or it could just pass whatever the Ruin 1 buff is to the party for a short time. Like 5 seconds. Everyone gains 10% damage or everyone takes 5% less damage or everyone casts faster. Who knows. But I would have tried to make more of a connection.

[J_Burton]

The problem is people want this but fail to understand this is a MMO. FFXI had a lot of complaints that those summons where to big and annoying. The big ZOMG IFRIT summon is coming but it'll be a FC that summons them, not one single individual.

I'm pretty sure no one at all is asking for that, and those that are, are silly. What people want is a compromise between 11 and this game. Clearly they can not be as big as they were in 11 but they can defiantly better then they are now. They are also complaining that the class feels to much like a WoW warlock since all you do is spam dot's and your pet is merely there for a few buffs to your character.

[Nemhy]

I'm pretty sure no one at all is asking for that, and those that are, are silly. What people want is a compromise between 11 and this game. Clearly they can not be as big as they were in 11 but they can defiantly better then they are now. They are also complaining that the class feels to much like a WoW warlock since all you do is spam dot's and your pet is merely there for a few buffs to your character.

No...I'm pretty sure I saw that 3/4 of the thread is just crying about the summon looks.

[J_Burton]

No...I'm pretty sure I saw that 3/4 of the thread is just crying about the summon looks.

I'm sorry but no they are not, go through and read the ENTIRE thread, there are literally 2, 2 people who ask for the egis to be the size they were in 11, the rest actually admit that is to big and not what they want. Yes there are complaints about how they look, because that is a factor but no one wants big animations and huge summons stomping around (except maybe when they use T3 LB.....j/k)

3/4 of this thread is actually mostly people coming in here and bashing people who are asking for the class just to be re looked. The rest is people trying to work out ideas of how to make the job design more interactive wit their pet. Hell one guy made a pretty good size post with his own ideas with possible ideas to re-work ruin.

And below me another example of people coming in here just to bash......

[Valkus]

Go to the support desk in game and click contact us and click feedback. This is where we can show yoshi that summoner is suppose to be a SUMMONER and not a boring class that spams DoT.

Complain about the eggi design and size
Complain that the summoner is all about DoT and not his eggi
Complain why it should get an overhaul

Lol look at you, getting all butthurt over your class. You knew what you were getting yourself into you lil spoil brat.

[Nux]

I wanted something like this. The pet needs to interact more with the summoner you are meant to be a team. When I talk to scholars they say they feel like a team with their fairy I don't get that with summoner. I feel like a dot spellcaster I tend to even forget the summoner is there.

Yes I think they should be re worked slightly the pets need to interact more with the summoner.

Trayes wrote this in a topic. I think square should of went with something like this IMO.

I am sure no one cares what I think but I do not enjoy the dot summoner with lame pets. If i had to change the playstyle away from dots into something else it would look like this.

Ruin: 80 potency. Grants you and your pet a buff depending on what pet you have out.
(Ifrit: Grants the user and pet stacking buff that increases damage by 5%, stacks 2 times)
(Titan: Lowers damage taken by the user and the pet by 5% for 4 seconds. Does not stack)
(Garuda: Grants the user and the pet 3% spell speed. Stacks 4 times. Garuda gains double from this effect)

Ruin II: 80 potency. This spell and the pet do a special bonus attack.
(Ifrit: Apply a 15 potency dot for 18 seconds.) Both the player and the pet apply this dot.
(Titan: Gain health equal to damage dealt.) Both the player and the pet heal based on the damage of thier attack.
(Garuda: Deal half damage to all enemies near the target) Both the player and the pet do the aoe damage.)

Now these are just ideas of how I would have made the summoner feel closer to their pets while adding some depth to the overall playstyle of the summoner. Also this is me only changing 2 skills. I am sure I could give a huge list of ideas.

Like an aether flow spell that grants a party buff based on the summon out.
Garuda would buff move speed and spell speed
Titan would give everyone a small stone skin
Ifrit would add "Enfire" to all melee attacks

Or it could just pass whatever the Ruin 1 buff is to the party for a short time. Like 5 seconds. Everyone gains 10% damage or everyone takes 5% less damage or everyone casts faster. Who knows. But I would have tried to make more of a connection.

That was an interesting idea

If SE want to change to playstyle from DoT to something else they can change it to support DPS, a type of class that can synergy with the summon as well as whole party, maybe something like

Meltdown (replace Bio) -- Reduce enemy thrust, slash, and blunt resistance by x amount
as for summon
ifrit -- His move mostly do thrust or slash based attack
Titan -- his move mostly do blunt attack
Garuda -- his move mostly do slash attack

with this kind of synergy it was your summon that will do the killing job instead of summoner itself, and scholar also get benefit from this as it basically buffing up your party damage output.

and sustain is kind of useless (if i can swiftcast/recast it into existence why would i be bothered sacrificing my own hp ?) if your summon somehow got killed you only lost 8 second (3 second for swiftcast method) at worst in losing your DPS which is bad but tolerable. They should change it to "link" style like Tristan do

Aether Link -- replace sustain

Link yourself with your summon buffing up your summon as long as you're linked with your summon, the link will snap after you go past certain range. Additional effect : any damage/heal sufferd by you and your summon will be shared with proportion of x% of damage shared (for risk and return)

We can make an array of skillset for summoner and summon synergy/interaction without limit, but strangely SE never do such a thing, such corporation with resources within their department did they never thought any of that ? i would say they just cutting corners and that just SE being lazy