Can someone tell me why everyone is upset about the logout timer?

[fixitman]

Trying to get around the timer with rubber bands and repeating macros is a bad idea.

Wouldn't anyone with fear of being AFK logged just tape their keys down and run into a wall for those hours they need to do something else?

I'm sure you can get around this if you really feel obsessed with not logging out.

I have a queue on my server everytime I go to log in. I dont want to wait in it. So I will set up a macro to cast something once every 20 minutes so I don't have to log out. As soon as there are no more queues I will log out.

Both of the above are examples of unattended play, which is against the TOS. If sitting around wasting SE's server resources is what someone wants to do, they shouldn't complain if SE suspends their account.

EDIT:

You can do my suggestion with the in game macro system as well

/ac Cure <me>
wait 1200
/ac Cure <me>
wait 1200

That will give you 50 minutes right there. You can just keep this up forever. I doubt using the in game macro system will get you a suspension. Also no where in the UA does it say you cannot use 3rd party macroes. This is all it saysL:

2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

AFAIK, this macro idea won't work due to limits programmed into the macro system. Someone already replied that it doesn't work, and I tend to believe it. Using something like Logitech's or Razer's configurators to circumvent the timer is indeed "using automation software" to "modify gameplay". Anyone who thinks that SE can't see it is wrong. All they have to do is see the exact same actions happening at the exact same pace for an acceptable period of time. They then simply send a /tell to the character. No response=suspended account. This system worked in XI, so it certainly can work in XIV.

I did notice that the unattended play clause is now missing from the TOS. I'm certain it was there during Beta. Regardless, I really don't care what others do with their accounts. I'm only trying to be informative for those who don't realize the risk they are taking. Some will ignore me, and some may even get suspended. I'll be staying well within the rules because I value my account too much to ignore the risks.

[MagusVandel]

The cities needed it also. Whether the servers could afford the extra strain or not, the quality of game went down with so many people afking and lagging the towns/sanctuaries. And people acknowledging the new players that haven't joined yet have a point: More players are coming and whether or not they exceed the total amount people leaving after the free period is something that isn't really known yet.

[Yuyushuu]

I think it's pretty dumb. Atleast give us the option to turn it off like ALL other MMOs that use one have. As a DPS I sit in the queue for up to an hour some days, and I don't always play while I'm in the queue, I use the time to go clean, paint models, play PS3 games, or do anything, Getting disconnected while I'm waiting is the most frustrating thing ever. How about fixing the goddamn Gilseller spam before putting in a useless feature like this. Full servers aren't an issue anymore, it's been fixed. We don't need this auto-logout thing now.

[Keres]

Atleast give us the option to turn it off like ALL other MMOs that use one have.

This is not at all true.

[Pooky]

There are many players, especially DD's, who que for dungeons for more than 30 mins quite often. Auto-timeout should be an optional feature in the system config. for people like you, but it is not for everyone.

Even if you are waiting for longer than 30 mins a queue, you are still checking from time to time to see if the queue has popped aren't you? You may be alt tabbed and just waiting for the chime, but you aren't leaving the house or anything are you? The queue could pop while you are away. Is it that hard to just enter 1 movement input once every 30 minutes?

[Zappo]

Full servers aren't an issue anymore, it's been fixed. We don't need this auto-logout thing now.

And there's the problem. Full servers ARE still an issue, and it HAS NOT been fixed. Just because you haven't hit a queue recently means that nobody on any server has? What about the other people in this thread who have been dropped in a queue? Personally, I'm tired of getting queued to log in only to be disconnected. I'd rather see server transfers implemented to help people get off of overcrowded servers, but the AFK logout was needed as well.

[WhiteGarden]

I don't really understand. 30 minutes is excessively fair.

This takes strain off their server, and makes room for people, you know, playing. People who log their character in and park it overnight, take up server space that is not needed. There's no reason to do this. Your character no longer sells stuff.

How can this be anything but good? It cuts down on the server load, future downtimes will be much, much shorter, it frees up cities and areas, so better FPS.

Overall, it's a great improvement that I thought would be here day one. It was a rookie move by SE to not have it day one, so many problems would've been solved by it.

So why do I see all these upset people?

I mean, even if logged out...with one click, you can be back in in 15 seconds.

No, it increases server load since those AFK players are replaced with ACTIVE players. Means more lag for everyone.


What do you mean 'future downtimes will be much much shorter?' that doesn't make sense? When the servers are down all users are kicked including AFKs.

Why is everyone saying it 'frees up' 'Server load is decreased' blah blah blah??? SE just opened all servers for more characters to be created because AFK players are not taking up connections anymore. This will mean MORE actives and MORE load/lag.

My main problem is 30 minutes is way too short. One hour or longer would be acceptable.

[Ruprect]

Trying to get around the timer with rubber bands and repeating macros is a bad idea.





Both of the above are examples of unattended play, which is against the TOS. If sitting around wasting SE's server resources is what someone wants to do, they shouldn't complain if SE suspends their account.

You can do my suggestion with the in game macro system as well

/ac Cure <me>
wait 1200
/ac Cure <me>
wait 1200

That will give you 50 minutes right there. You can just keep this up forever. I doubt using the in game macro system will get you a suspension. Also no where in the UA does it say you cannot use 3rd party macroes. This is all it saysL:

2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

[MalcolmReynolds]

No, it increases server load since those AFK players are replaced with ACTIVE players. Means more lag for everyone.

This is a terrible argument. Just terrible. So you AFKing takes precedence over people that want to be ACTIVE and enjoy the game?

Shit. I thought the crowd here had some common sense. Apparently that was thrown out of the window.

[Furious]

You can do my suggestion with the in game macro system as well

/ac Cure <me>
wait 1200
/ac Cure <me>
wait 1200

That will give you 50 minutes right there. You can just keep this up forever.

Doesn't work; only actions that involve actually pressing a button count.

That said, there is absolutely no way to determine whether a button or a machine or a script is pressing a button.