Anti-Speed Run Mechanism

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For all the people thinking that this fixes rage your sadly mistaken. This will only compound issues where crappy dps players are raged at or people leave the instanced before starting.

After all now that you have to clear trash, dps needs to be strong to clear quickly and people won't bother putting up with poorly geared dps who typically wouldn't clear the first boss anyway. As you have to waste 10 min getting there through trash.

1.0 had speed runs right. Even clearing trash properly allowed you to clear cc av in a short amount of time.

No one is going to want to start over with a 50+ minute queue. People will just grin and bear it.

And loool at all of the people that told me this was working as intended over that past few weeks in all of these threads.

[Alise]

New players may not understand this since they are bound to one class atm, but wait until they start to play more classes, they will see that you need... around 5000 tome to fully equip full set of one class full darklight. that is around 60 runs.. If it take 1 hour per round (including queue time), then it take 60 hours per 1 class. now, if you have 8 class then you would have to do this 480 hours which cost more time than your full time study in university semester. if you put 480 hours into study/work, then you would either become top of class or get promoted.

[xRitzx]

SE obviously read this thread... SE is now punishing speed-run players by forcing them to run the entire dungeon. This is ludicrous. If SE intended on players running the entire dungeon, this mechanism should have been implemented at release. It seems SE tried to respond to people rushing players when they don't want to be rushed. As a result, they wrongly punished the speed-run players.

Speed runs aren't bad. SE needs to remove this new mechanism and implement something that groups speed run players together and anti-speed run players together so they are separated and grouped with like-minded players. Fix the problem not the symptom.

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480 hours would equal 4 hours a day studying for a semester. I feel bad for you if you consider that a lot of time studying/doing work for 4 classes. That seems like a very short amount of time to gear 8 classes in full DL gear. You also forget that you get both types of tomes for running AK which will significantly reduce that number you threw out there as every 2 runs get you 80 of the other tomes, up to 300 a week (I cant remember what the 2 are called right now... Philosophy and something else). IF it was 480 hours to gear all your classes, that is 2 hours a night for less than a year (its actually one fully geared class a month) to fully gear 8 classes in full DL. Do you want it given to you?

[nimuniverse]

Speed runs are not bad, so is normal one. The only bad thing is as Alise points out it takes 60 times to fully equip darklight gear (I assume this is AK). Cause if you are doing WP, it would take 100 times. Let's see 30-45minutes a run for full clear (if the party sucks, then longer or worse, duty will fail). The queue time is 30-60min. Let's give the best stats, 30min wait time and 30min queue time. So it would take 100 hours WP run. If you play 3-4 hours a day (at least the one with jobs have only that much to play or less, could be more on weekends) then you are looking for 30 days. Personally, I don't like to run WP for 100 times. There has to be better way to get gear.

[Ariyn]

Congrats to all the "haha exploiters got played" peeps. You guys won this round apparently. Now I'll come back in a week and see the "Omg it takes so long to get gear to do Titan HM" threads. As others posted 60 hours of your life are now going to be wasted running the same boring dungeon over and over before you can even attempt to get into the "raid". Quotes because I don't consider an 8 man a raid at all.

This was a completely dumb move on SE's part and for the people that like it, enjoy it you will be in this dungeon for a long long time and the parties will get much worse. I know for sure if i am pugging it I will be gear checking before I make the first pull. No Ifrit/Garuda wep on the dps and I'm out. Not worth wasting my time killing trash for an almost certain wipe on demon wall if not the first boss. Get ready for more massive "QQ I can't complete the dungeon" threads.

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Congrats to all the "haha exploiters got played" peeps. snip.

Don't pug it then, I wont be. If you are so pro and going to be raiding you must have an all pro FC to run these with. Should go pretty fast with everyone in all Garuda HM weapons. I am sure everyone will be ok if you do not grace the DF with your presence.

[xRitzx]

Don't pug it then, I wont be. If you are so pro and going to be raiding you must have an all pro FC to run these with. Should go pretty fast with everyone in all Garuda HM weapons. I am sure everyone will be ok if you do not grace the DF with your presence.

You so don't get the point. SE requires us to spend more time doing the mindless task of killing trash.

I'm not elite. My highest character is level 34. But I would like to play the dungeon the way I want as long as it doesn't bother other people. I try to maximize threat as tank and DPS as DPS. I am in a FC of about 40 on a new server and about 4 members are already 50. I would like to think I'm a skilled player once I learn the mechanics but I'm certainly not the elitist type and neither is my FC. This is a time problem. I don't know 50 tier gear that well but it looks like we'll be spending 60 hours a set for mid-tier 50 gear. AF2 is way better gear to spend time on. With this mechanism, I might even try to beat the quests after AK undergeared instead of gearing properly because there is a better time vs. reward tradeoff.

[Rainsford]

The average full group had 20-30 minute queue times for the instance because there wasn't enough space on the servers. Now, with the average run taking 50-60 minutes, you're going to be looking at queues of that length. Nice, SE.

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You so don't get the point. SE requires us to spend more time doing the mindless task of killing trash.

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I so do get the point. At the rate people were getting tomes before this even casuals would have been to end game in a month or 2 lol. Then what? I can run castrum in about 40 minutes and get 100 tokens with my FC and all of us in vendor white gear and a few crafting pieces of jewelry for materia farm. This is by far the best way to farm tomes/gil. You do not need to run AK more than 4 times a week and then you can go to castrum for fast runs. People are making far to much out of this.