Tank shortage is going to get worse.

[Animation]

Not really that fun, you spam the 3 skills over and over again along with flash to get hate. You mark the Target so hoping the DPS would target that monster. You constantly have to tell them to attack only the Target you attack. Ranger always keep stealing your hate showing off their DPS. Our sub job skill Cure are pathetic making it worthless. Our damage is laughable.

I hope they buff the Tank damage more, and at least gave them Cure 2.

I slightly agree, but Cure2 is the healers main heal. I hate to sound greedy but give tanks that and what are healers going to do? I mean yeah I already get bored if my tank doesn't take enough damage and I have to to idle for 5 seconds before I can heal them.
I however would like tanks to have Regen or a slightly less powerful form of it. Not a straight up heal but it is useful and will really help in PvE as you guys wont get slaughtered so fast. :/

[nimrod]

What sucks most is the 2,5 SEC GCD for a PALADIN at 50 -_-. U cant pump out enough enmity/hatred as a DPS does in a short time, even a Healer with a few AOE Heals will out agro u .

So: Not fun to play, feels not responsive enough and buff shield oath-- a 2nd Tank paladin with sword oath and normal rotation will out agro u aswell

[Kuvu]

What sucks most is the 2,5 SEC GCD for a PALADIN at 50 -_-. U cant pump out enough enmity/hatred as a DPS does in a short time, even a Healer with a few AOE Heals will out agro u .

So: Not fun to play, feels not responsive enough.

Give this man a cupi doll. Not only that we have no instant on me hate, yes provoke but we all know how it works and the mob you used it on for that DPS getting attacked hasn't slowed down on their attack so that 1 sec of snap is already taken back while you are still slamming the button hoping it works again while you try to also break off the flash key.

[Quincy]

@OP

To me it looks like you're trying to trade a boring gameplay to another boring gameplay. It's not really the class/job fault, it's what you want. Let me explain, you said glad/paladin is boring, low damage, high stress and exchange it with high dmg low stress that no one can pull monster off u, so where is the challenge on that? Tank is designed so you have take care if someone else takes hate chasing them if needed and that's one of the beauty of it. If you take that away then you might as well just be a dps.

And so far in the duty finder I've encountered a good tank never loses hate if he wants to. I can tell a very BIG difference between a good tank, an ave. tank & a bad tank. If ur losing hate either your dps isn't targeting ur target or u are just lazy on recovering hate from it.

With this thread you partially admitted that you're an ave. tank if not a bad one.

[Rochetm]

@OP
With this thread you partially admitted that you're an ave. tank if not a bad one.

Yes I am a bad tank. Been doing it for 10 years... leading successful raids in every game I play... all while being the worlds worst tank.


Tanking in FFXIV is the most boring tanking I have seen in any game... No other way to describe it. It is boring. Many people loved Pld in FFXI and threat was basically never an issue for them. Threat does not mean fun or interesting gameplay and it certainly doesn't if any idiot can totally ruin that gameplay. How creative is a class/role that is 100% dependent on others to be able to do that job. DPS and Heals will always be doing their job, with or without a tank... sure they won't do it long without a tank but they can still do it. No amount of effort will allow a tank in the current game to tank if their group is stupid.

[Rochetm]

They seem to have tried to go the active mitigation route other games are going (see WoW). Problem is they didn't use the entire system. You don't have a real choice of threat, survival or balance. You have the option of using all of your abilities and being a normal tank or not using them and sucking.

As others have pointed out the GCD for tanks is bad and needs to change. They would probably need to nerf out threat a little bit and reduce the cost of abilities to make up for the using of them more often. It would be exactly the same as now but much more fast paced and would allow for a lot more control over the battlefield. It would also make DPS/Healing more fun... sitting around for 5+ seconds isn't fun.

Don't get me wrong I like the generally slower pace of FF games but the GCD system is really clunky with tanks. FFXI gameplay was a snails pace compared to this but if you needed to through out a lot of threat and/or survival tools in a big hurry you could and that is fun.

[Rochetm]

Also of note... After the updates I decided to mess around with my MRD and found that they get awesome exp in fates that I can't pull off on my much higher Gld no mater how hard I try which is really odd. So I run an instance at 15 and am amazed at how easy and fun it is but figured there is no way Mrd is that much easier than Gld. So I go back to Gld and do an instance... no threat problems at all.

I have no idea what the heck happened but my play style didn't change over night while not playing but all of a sudden my abilities are working. Provoke which never worked no mater how I used it now works perfectly. Even when people where not focusing what they should have been I was doing ok. I have no idea what the heck is going on but I am happy it is better. I still have a major issue with my OCD abilities not activating and don't understand why that is but overall most of the problems vanished with a few hours time.

[Ksenia]

I don't see Marauder as tank. I see them as local, defended, damage dealers. Gladiator isn't a tank. It's crowd control with low damage and a critical demand for a healer.

[Mariwanna]

Add me to the list of tanks who "just can't hang." It is way too hard to aggro enemies without a decent group taunt. I also run out of TP just trying to get the damn mobs away from the healer and dps. I always thought I'd be a good tank, this game is proving otherwise. I will never claim to be a great tank again! I just want to dps or heal now. Thanks for listening.

[Vanidin]

I enjoy tanking, it's my favorite role... however I'm more and more tempted to just play my bard anytime I go into DF simply because I'm tired of the mass numbers of derpy dps that don't seem to understand basics like don't blow your dd cool downs and biggest attacks the instant I throw my shield. Also I'm getting so tired of dps and healers that run away when they do get aggro... RUN TOWARDS ME! I haven't really struggled with enmity on mobs unless I'm just well outgeared by the dps. The problem being most of those dps don't seem to understand enmity or the need to scale back damage until I've gotten a lead... and just keep going at full power as the mob is eating their face.

I will say this though, as item level average increases I notice more and more that flash simply doesn't keep up for aoe enmity and hallowed ground is not making up the difference. I do worry that flash will simply not generate enough enmity later on to keep up unless SE somehow makes it scale with weapon damage or something.