If you are a [JOB] without [Ability], you are holding back your team at endgame

[Malix]

It's funny reading this thread and the other thread about making gil. On one hand you have people saying that they should not be forced to do content they don't want to do (i.e crafting) but turn around and demanded people to level other jobs/classes just to pickup some skills. Bottom line if you are picky about these things group with your own kind and don't use DF.

This and That are two different things. Not having the proper cross skills is the exact same thing as not having the proper subjob leveled in FFXI. The only real difference is that you can visibly see who doesn't on ffxi.

Do I need it to hold agro or pick up agro, Not Really.

You will need it. I can tell you right now that doing Garuda without it will immediately put on u strictly tanking garuda and the other tank on the adds. If you both don't have it? you just made the fight harder. Saying you don't need it is a clear example of not knowing the advantages of it and not knowing how to tank.

[EmeraldSerenade]

But on the flip side I was doing an Vale run with a SCH healer who did not have swiftcast. She tried her best. But the dot kept killing her pet and we kept wiping. She just couldn't heal enough without her pet out. We eventually gave up after wipe number 5 and told her she really should level up THM to get swiftcast.

Swiftcast wouldn't change the fact that one of you were horribly geared for that instance.

[Jackl3]

Hidden grind in disguise by S.E. -

You could say the skills aren't necessary, but then that's a lie, because most of them are important when it comes down to end-game/final content. If all the people in the group have all the abilities necessary, then that eliminates a point of failure.

FF11 required lv37 subjobs. Square know that this is another little slow-down, attempting to get you to re-live low level content and keep the areas busy as well.

The main point is: To be optimal and fully be at one with your 'main' class, then you need and should do all that is required in order to have everything possible at your disposal.

Sure, you can most likely get past the content with the basics, but why would you get by with the basics... when you can enhance yourself with more tools.

I'm currently working on my additional cross-skills, and as much as I dislike doing it, once it's over, I can then concentrate on the rest of the content knowing I'm bringing all my tools to the fight.

[madolyn]

I'm torn on this one, granted anyone requiring anything of me better be my wife or go F yourself.
But on the flip side I was doing an Vale run with a SCH healer who did not have swiftcast. She tried her best. But the dot kept killing her pet and we kept wiping. She just couldn't heal enough without her pet out. We eventually gave up after wipe number 5 and told her she really should level up THM to get swiftcast.

I lol'ed.

/10char

[Jynxii]

I'm currently working on my additional cross-skills, and as much as I dislike doing it, once it's over, I can then concentrate on the rest of the content knowing I'm bringing all my tools to the fight.

I am currently in the same boat, and it doesn't help that THM is mind numbing (in my opinion at least), which isn't helped by the mind numbing of FATE grinding. Yesterday I took a break from levelling my sub classes to spam Leve/grind up gathering, and that is saying something. I've even started taking my CNJ into dungeons at a XP 'deficiency' to liven the releveling process up a little more.

[Blackcat75]

I lol'ed.

/10char

In fairness we didn't tell her she had to, we suggested that it would be beneficial. Actually I was quite surprised that the other two players in the instance were quite nice and understanding that she was doing her best.

When I tanked any instance the first time starting at Sunken Temple (Where I learned 3 overpowers were no longer going to cut it for holding mob agro from the healer on the second and third mob in a pull.) almost everyone one of them was a universally ugly run with a lot of the wipes and problems being able to be directly attributed to my lack of knowledge of the instance.

It wasn't until Vale that I actually failed to finish an instance the first time thru before the timer expired.

And AK was the first instance I felt the need to apologize to the party and ask if they wanted me to step aside so they could get a new tank and finish the run.

That being said.. I have never failed an instance the second time thru it.

[Vampt]

however SMN/SCH revive can be done in battle at level 22 when you first unlock it.

Haha thanks, I probably wouldn't have realized that for a long time. I saw that the whm had a passive ability for it so I just assumes sch couldn't XD

[Hik0]

I think this thread pop too early in ARR life.
You cant expect everybody to have leveled several job on a 3weeks game!

[Malix]

I think this thread pop too early in ARR life.
You cant expect everybody to have leveled several job on a 3weeks game!

This is true, its not like ffxiv has been out since 2010... oh wait...

Its not like it only takes a couple of days to get the skill you need.... oh wait...

[Mikedizzy]

I don't really want to...but I am going to be leveling Lancer to get Blood for Blood for my ARC/BARD because that ability is just amazing...20% damage increase...yes please....take 25% more damage....hmmmmmmmm....don't take any REAL damage anyway...that seems like a fair trade to me.
Play how you want to play and just live with what happens...no big deal...it's not like you cannot change your mind later on...right?!