It's not just the WAR that needs tweaking

[Ruminate]

Also, you compare these to a ranged classes level 12 ability as if it were supposed to be on par? I think you are making my point for me.

Yes, you correctly listed the PLD's core enmity generating abilities. They are good, but not great damage. Potency is not the end all and if you think that activating Sword Oath suddenly makes us a viable DPS class then our discussion ends now. No point in going any further with you.

You're right. No point in furthering this discussion, especially when your logic is "higher level abilities are supposed to be superior to lower level ones"

I guess it'll be awhile before someone else also does the math and finds out that PLD's CP per second is actually higher than the WAR's CP per second.

[LunarRei]

I think the point that is being missed is that the skills don't flow and the use cases are too marginal. When comparing to other jobs who get major and obvious benefits from their abilities, we are stuck with really lackluster ones that players are finding ways to stick in to situations, rather than complementing the classes play style. I don't think all of you that are defending these are even reading what I had said. Aside from Cover, I actually argued for their usefulness for the most part.

You're right. No point in furthering this discussion, especially when your logic is "higher level abilities are supposed to be superior to lower level ones"

I guess it'll be awhile before someone else also does the math and finds out that PLD's CP per second is actually higher than the WAR's CP per second.

Are low level abilities supposed to be stronger than high ones? If my logic is flawed, then you are just fucked. Also, the emphasis was on Job abilities which should be even more powerful. Fire<FireIII<Flare, Cure<CureII<Benediction, etc. I don't think anyone would argue that higher level abilities should be weaker than low levels, but your poorly chosen words make it seem like you are in favor of it. I'm still flabbergasted that you think we are some sort of dedicated secondary tank.

Ultimately, I am not complaining about the PLD's ability to perform its role. The problem is that the best parts of it's role are found as a GLA. Looking at each job side by side and the only other one that stands out as being completely lackluster is the BLM (some might argue the BRD, but I like them personally). But that also isn't to say that what the BLM has is useless, far from it. It just doesn't feel very Black Magey.

Once again, 2 stances, an ability that people are forcing themselves to use in f'd up situations instead of playing right, a high damage silence on 30 sec CD, and a bubble. Nevermind, I am convinced. All those 1.0 people are stupid for thinking their Paladin was better.