If you are a [JOB] without [Ability], you are holding back your team at endgame

[madolyn]

I hear alot of people complaining when I'm playing scholar that I'm not using stoneskin. It's a level 34 conj ability, and we always have a white mage in raid so honestly it's pointless from a raiding perspective. That being said I do want to level swiftcast from THM for my summoner

thats all well and good but have you considered that you, as a scholar, you are a mitigation healer? it just makes sense that you should have stoneskin. You have white mages in your party whos primary focus is to heal heal heal. You should be using stoneskin liberally to alleviate some of the pressure and assist with heals as necessary. You should also want to get swiftcast for resurrection...not just summoner.

[Eldaena]

Why wouldn't someone want to max out their favorite role? So what if you need to level up a few others? You want to pimp out any job, you need to work on other classes too. =/ Obviously, they already encourage this mentality by requiring you to level up others just to unlock your job.

[Estellios]

thats all well and good but have you considered that you, as a scholar, you are a mitigation healer? it just makes sense that you should have stoneskin. You have white mages in your party whos primary focus is to heal heal heal. You should be using stoneskin liberally to alleviate some of the pressure and assist with heals as necessary. You should also want to get swiftcast for resurrection...not just summoner.

Not to mention having Stoneskin on as many people as possible, no matter if its the boosted on or not, is extremely useful no matter what and two people with Stoneskin means a lot more people in the party can have an extra buffer of damage, since there is no way in hell a WHM has the time or MP to keep Stoneskin up on everyone constantly.

[razorpakk]

People want better gear to show off, it doesn't matter if they lack cross class skills that would be a tangible improvement over any gear.

[Crystallus]

End Game

Being the key word here.
Yes we all have to start somewhere and at certain times we will by default be under geared.

However when it comes to things you can control. If you are joining in End Game content, then yes you absolutely should have all the available abilities and spells.

1. It is End Game you are joining you need to show you have put forth effort to join.
2. In the process of leveling some jobs to get that one spell you have a better understanding of the role it plays.

End Game is not for everyone there is an expectation that whether I agree or not EG FC do have the rite to discriminate.

[Jynxii]

@Madolyn and Estellios, I'm glad I'm not the only one that saw the potential use for Stone Skin on a SCH instead of having the 'our heals mitigates anyway! we shouldn't need stoneskin' view.

And as has been highlighted a lot throughout the thread, it comes down to what each individual is looking at doing. If they wan't to find themselves in Bahamut's Coil, and only level their primary class, that is their prerogative, but the goal and what is being done to get their doesn't line up at all. Also, if you want to have people that have every cross skill, you go out and look for them, but don't be a hypocrite and claim you're one of these 'hardcore min/max'ers' when you haven't even got your most vital cross class ability (ie Blood for Blood on MNK). People will find out and tell you to stick it, because you don't fit into the 'elitist or min/max'ed' group/behaviour you are trying to perpetuate.

Funnily enough, this would be the time where they come onto the forums to complain about being removed/not invited to a group because they haven't leveled their LNC to 34 for a skill that gives a big increase to damage.

[Blackcat75]

I'm torn on this one, granted anyone requiring anything of me better be my wife or go F yourself.

That being said I have a 50 WAR and a 15 GLD.

Do I want Provoke from 22 GLD, Yes.
Do I want it bad enough to level yet another tank, Not Sure.
Do I need it to hold agro or pick up agro, Not Really.

But on the flip side I was doing an Vale run with a SCH healer who did not have swiftcast. She tried her best. But the dot kept killing her pet and we kept wiping. She just couldn't heal enough without her pet out. We eventually gave up after wipe number 5 and told her she really should level up THM to get swiftcast.

Is it truly needed, I don't know honestly. All the observation I have had in vale is SCH without it generally fail, I have never seen one succeed. But I haven't run it enough times to know if it is truly doable or not without it.

[teadax]

This thread makes me happy to be old. May death come for me before some of these entitled, spoiled, obnoxious ankle grabbers breed .......

[Vampt]

You should also want to get swiftcast for resurrection...not just summoner.

I'm not 100% on this but i thought only whm could do battle rez. I lvd thm for swiftcast first anyways tho for if pet died. However im not excited about lvling conj for stoneskin, but i guess i will after i hit 50

[Jynxii]

But on the flip side I was doing an Vale run with a SCH healer who did not have swiftcast. She tried her best. But the dot kept killing her pet and we kept wiping. She just couldn't heal enough without her pet out. We eventually gave up after wipe number 5 and told her she really should level up THM to get swiftcast.

This was pure hell, and one I need to go back too soon unfortunately. I managed to get through the boss without my fairy, but it was literally healing non-stop and getting off Aetherflow+Energy Drain whenever it was off cool down. I have noticed that in other dungeons AoE effects on pet are significantly reduced (ie Imminent Chaos hitting for ~300 on fairy, ~3,000 on players), so I wonder if it is an oversight and will be changed at some point, or if it is indeed working as intended. Would still be tough, but if our fruit cleansed our fairy too it'd at least keep it alive.

I'm not 100% on this but i thought only whm could do battle rez. I lvd thm for swiftcast first anyways tho for if pet died. However im not excited about lvling conj for stoneskin, but i guess i will after i hit 50

WHM revive can be done in battle at level 28 I think, however SMN/SCH revive can be done in battle at level 22 when you first unlock it. I've pulled off 'slow cast' 7 second revives in a lot of situations and recovered from failing encounters, but any time taken away from healing the tank or topping up players that take damage from non-avoidable mechanics, is an issue. As mentioned, this also included resummoning the pet.

All players should aim to take as little avoidable damage as they can because it effects every resource a healer has; Mana pool, where the heals are going, and the time spent casting those heals. While I wouldn't say DPS is as simple as just hitting rotations on a target, healers definitely are not as simple as "keep people healed". In a crucial moment, is it better to risk losing the tank to heal up a dps, or let the dps die? What if you can avoid that crucial moment from ever happening if the DPS had better positioning and didn't take the avoidable damage in the first place?

This isn't too downplay that there is a chance for things to go bad, but if it is the same person getting hit to the same mechanics every time, it isn't a 'chance' effect, it is a bad player effect.