If you are a [JOB] without [Ability], you are holding back your team at endgame

[Sovereign]

SCH: Get stoneskin. Yeah, fine, it's not as good as when used by a WHM, and maybe you can justify your way out of it. The simple point is that you are a better SCH if you go get it, and you actually are making your group weaker because you don't want to get it. Maybe that's okay for your group, but don't try to deny the simple facts. Also for WHM, SMN, or SCH you should have Swiftcast from THM. It's just way to good to not have.

BLM: Get Raging Strikes and Quelling Strikes from Archer. The first is very low level and just straight up lets you do more damage. The second lets you avoid a bunch of the threat you will generate with that damage. Both are good skills to have.

I miss the days in FFXI where people without properly leveled subjobs (similar to people who won't go get good skills from other classes in XIV...) were just left out because they didn't care enough to try to play to their maximum potential.

[Silvyr]

If you don't have culinarian you're bringing your party down by the lack of delicious sammitches. If you don't have fishing You're bringing your party down by not appeasing your catgirl whitemage with fresh fish for delicious nutrients, happiness, and mana regeneration.

Play the game don't shove it down people's throats. 2 weeks in and everyones already at each others throats rofl its hilarious.

[Kallera]

I miss the days in FFXI where people without properly leveled subjobs (similar to people who won't go get good skills from other classes in XIV...) were just left out because they didn't care enough to try to play to their maximum potential.

"Unless we each conform, unless we obey orders, unless we follow our leaders blindly, there is no possible way we can remain free. "
-Maj. Frank Burns, M*A*S*H

[DivineOracle]

First the job class, then there was the HP, then the weapon, now the gearscore...

It really is starting to become a resume. Next will be "Must have 3-5 Titan wins of experience."

That has already started, as i seeing shouts asking for people with full exp of these fights, which needs 3-5 runs to learn. In fact some people will outright not accept anyone who has not done it before. leaving people to only learn from watching. But experience is the best teacher.

[Leonas]

DRG: Internal RElease, Mantra, Fracture, Second Wind, Blood Bath

Mantra is pug 42. Get to crackin' DRG

*** I"ve been depressed ever since phase 3- 4 when they switched DRG"s 3rd subclass from archer to mrd. But I guess DRG with Rising Fury ( 20% more damage for 20 sec. ) and Straight shot ( 10% crit for 20 sec. ) woulda been wayyyyyyyyyyyy too op.

[Sovereign]

First the job class, then there was the HP, then the weapon, now the gearscore...

It really is starting to become a resume. Next will be "Must have 3-5 Titan wins of experience."

Well, I think some people just want to play with other people who are interested in squeezing as much performance as they can out of their character. I don't really think that's a bad thing. If you want to play with a more casual group that may not be as concerned with player performance, then you could probably find or create a group, Linkshell, or Free Company to do exactly that.

What is so wrong with some players wanting to be their best and looking for other players who feel the same way? I guess I just don't see the problem (granted some players are outright rude about it, but that is a different point all together, in my opinion).

[dragorian]

Warrior cant use Cure because its not from MRD, GLD, or PGL. Best it can use is secondwind but it has a long cooldown.

i agree i also do this but tanks can help pt stay alive longer with hp buffing at the right time and while healing them selves on my war i am useing af 1 + jewerly and with my hp skill and hp buff i saw my self getting over 6k hp mind you a2ll i did was maxed out my vit and i know with af +1 and hq jewerly i might see 6k-8k hp

[Kallera]

Well, I think some people just want to play with other people who are interested in squeezing as much performance as they can out of their character. I don't really think that's a bad thing. If you want to play with a more casual group that may not be as concerned with player performance, then you could probably find or create a group, Linkshell, or Free Company to do exactly that.

What is so wrong with some players wanting to be their best and looking for other players who feel the same way? I guess I just don't see the problem (granted some players are outright rude about it, but that is a different point all together, in my opinion).

People that bail and kick on the first wipe are not concerned about "Performance", the party they are looking for is merely a tool to their own ends.

[Sovereign]

People that bail and kick on the first wipe are not concerned about "Performance", the party they are looking for is merely a tool to their own ends.

Oh, sure. I wasn't so much thinking about them as much as I was thinking about the people in Mor Dhona, shouting for a Garuda or Titan party and asking that everyone have better than AF gear and know the fight.

No question that people who leave after a single wipe in the DF are annoying. On the other side of the spectrum, I don't mind explaining a fight to someone who hasn't done it before and I don't even mind wiping once or twice so they can see the mechanics, but I get frustrated if the same mistakes are made after 3 or 4 wipes. =/ At that point, I don't think it's 'playing for fun' or just 'trying to enjoy the game' as much as it is just making mistakes over and over again.

[Estellios]

Swiftcast is just so good, you should want to get it. Being able to cast even one spell while moving, especially a Raise, is amazing in a lot of late game fights.

I feel this is different from FF11's situation because you can level an alternate class solo in a reasonable amount of time through various means. In FF11 you had to put up with jobs that were garbage until they hit certain level (THF) or jobs that could not solo and thus you could not level at your own pace (all of them except beastmaster). This is not some crazy endeavor that requires you to play 24/7, you can do this on the side and if you are someone that can't play often you get the wonderful bonus of being able to take advantage of rested bonus. Not to mention you get +50% XP on top of that for leveling something that isn't your highest class.