If you are a [JOB] without [Ability], you are holding back your team at endgame

[Itchyness]

I believe the people who complain about this the most ARE the people that are aiming for BCOB. Leave them be, dey needz to b proz. If they're raggin on you for not having every possible class skill in the game, SOL and keep pressing on. They can easily ragequit on their own behalf.

[Khalette]

Is there a list that goes over what each subclasses offer? Also, what subclass options are available for each job?

Thank you in advance!

[Conradus]

Every job can't use cure

In fact, the only non-mage job that can use Cure is Paladin. The others can't use Cure or Physick (which is essentially the same spell).

[Jynxii]

Is there a list that goes over what each subclasses offer? Also, what subclass options are available for each job?

Thank you in advance!

The following link will send you to the BRD page on FFXIVinfo.com, however if you scroll down the page there are links that will take you to any of the jobs/classes. If you scroll further down there is a section labelled "Cross Class Abilities" which incidentally, tells you which cross class abilities are available to your job. I swear it used to say in the description what classes you were limited to pull abilities from, but you can put that together solely by looking at where the abilities are coming from (ie BRD can use ARC (base class) and LNC/PGL (cross class) skills)

Linky: http://www.ffxivinfo.com/job/bard.php

Hope that helps

[dinantes]

As a very successful Warrior, I see no need at all to get the Paladin's lvl 22 Provoke. Why on earth would we need another enmity grab? Our whole thing is that we're better at getting hate and worse at mitigating it. We have Axe Throw, Overpower, and Flash (from the Paladin tree). As well, our 'stance' itself raises enmity AND our primary combo generates enmity. Unless Provoke is somehow proven to be the be-all-end-all of enmity skills, any other enmity generating skill will do.

Also, our Warrior skills unleashed by having full wrath ALSO get enmity. So yeah...

Am I wrong?

[Zoeila]

As a very successful Warrior, I see no need at all to get the Paladin's lvl 22 Provoke. Why on earth would we need another enmity grab? Our whole thing is that we're better at getting hate and worse at mitigating it. We have Axe Throw, Overpower, and Flash (from the Paladin tree). As well, our 'stance' itself raises enmity AND our primary combo generates enmity. Unless Provoke is somehow proven to be the be-all-end-all of enmity skills, any other enmity generating skill will do.

Am I wrong?

provoke isnt for grabbing enmity is for grabbing it back. also as a pld as much as i would like stoneskin lvling cnj to 34 just isnt happening right now.

editrovoke is also useful for pulling solo mobs that patrol halls in dungeons.

[dinantes]

Well yeah. EVERY enmity skill is for grabbing it back. Axe throw grabs it back. They all do.

[Orophin]

provoke isnt for grabbing enmity is for grabbing it back. also as a pld as much as i would like stoneskin lvling cnj to 34 just isnt happening right now.

editrovoke is also useful for pulling solo mobs that patrol halls in dungeons.

Well yeah. EVERY enmity skill is for grabbing it back. Axe throw grabs it back. They all do.

What they were saying is Provoke automatically puts you at the top of the aggro table if you lose threat on a mob. Tomahawk and Shield Lob only generate so much threat so if the disparity is too far, even those are ineffective at immediately taking back threat on that mob.

[Nylaan]

There's not a lot to say on this. Part of the leveling is cross-class ability and getting to 50 isn't the whole game. I don't really need a melee dps job with a bard, but it doesn't make any sense to hit 50 BRD and not have LNC at 34. My job is DPS and that makes me have more DPS. It also helps counter the DPS loss when playing songs.

I do understand playing the off classes might not be fun. I find MNK more intriguing with my spare time but LNC is the clear priority. I also play around with SMN but I don't find THM that exciting. The only real problem to me is the classes aren't very fleshed out at low levels and you are back to 1-1-1-1-1 combat.

[Hachiko]

Am I wrong?

Yeah, kind of.

Provoke is useful in situations with adds where you don't have an aggro lead, or in situations where you have died and accepted a res.

Without provoke you will be tossing axes and chasing the target around trying to get off a Butcher's Block combo (which takes 7.5 seconds), and you may need 2 or 3 to catch up to a healer or dps if you've been ressed. If you can just Provoke and get it back to you instantly it makes it a bit easier and smoother.

Provoke isn't enmity generation, it's basically Taunt from other games like WoW.

Provoke and Tomahawk aren't even in the same league. If a DPS opens up on a target you need to die quickly as soon as it spawns (i.e. the flies with Demon Wall) you will not be able to get threat on it, and keep the other one off of the healer, without having provoke. With provoke, it's much more manageable to pick it back up and to keep threat on the off target.

It's not absolutely necessary if you play perfectly, but it is very good in many situations.