If you are a WHM without Swiftcast, you are holding back your team at endgame

[Jynxii]

I kind of skipped after the first few pages, but WHM should be happy they only have to level THM to 26 to get Swiftcast; SCH need to level CNJ to 34 as well to get stone skin. Admittedly you're less likely to use stone skin in an 8man with a WHM present (definitely not initially), but it is one of those added tools that'll make a 4 man go smoother (not that current 4man content is difficult).

It is definitely a two way street, as DPS/Tanks should not be dying (or the other healer), especially to dumb, dodgable mechanics, but in the case it happens, it is good to have up your sleeve, and as mentioned, can determine whether you succeed or completely wipe. It has also been brought up multiple times that you can use it on far more than just raise. Work towards it in your down time; you'll offer more utility and your group/raid will love you for it.

Also, there is a difference between people that don't have it, and those that refuse to get it. Yes, if you refuse to optimize your class, don't get upset when people look you over and take those that have. Raiding 101 really.

and I know what is next, people won't group with you if you don't have it. No wonder the majority of gamers hate MMO's.

I understand you said you'll do it anyway, but if you, or others, do not want to min/max, that is fine, but running with people that do is not a scenario that I see happening long. The game is definitely starting to get some 'age' to it now, and don't worry, there will be calls for MNKs to level their LNC to 34 to get Blood for Blood soon enough, or DRGs to level whatever they have to level to min/max. If healers are expected to do it, there is no reason DPS shouldn't be expected to either. Just ensure the next time a DRG or MNK pressure you about having Swiftcast, you pressure them about having Internal Release, Blood for Blood and Mercy Strike, otherwise they are holding the end game back by not having optimal DPS.

[Brolleun-Hunter]

[Kobolt]

You know, back when I played as a Priest in Wow, if you were killed in the middle of battle, then that's your fault, and we liked it that way. if you were stupid to not know the rotation, the battle, or to not stand on the fire, then you sat on the bench. battle rezzes? they were reserved to tanks and healers by the druids, not shitty DPS. whether we have swift cast or not, be lucky White Mages can use Raise in battle with no cool down. Regardless of having swift cast or not, Raise takes a huge chunk of our Mana, and I would rather use that Mana to keep the tanks alive. Don't blame us cause you died, deal with it and be better. You don't like it, then you do it, then I can bitch to you all day and night. /teleport.

[Kraggy]

A swiftcasted raise is probably the most useful thing a white mage could possibly do at Endgame, among the many other uses for Swiftcast. Yet almost everysingle time I go into DF, the White Mage never has Swiftcast, and we wipe. Everytime the WHM does have swiftcast, we win, coincidence? I think not.

You should not be healing endgame with a WHM at all until you learn Swiftcast. If you don't know this ability, you are holding back your team. Does anybody else agree? Is Swiftcast a vitally important ability for a White Mage to have? What are your thoughts?

This is the sort of asinine elitism I'd hoped we'd left back in the dark ages with FFXI Dynamis shells.

[Jynxii]

This is the sort of asinine elitism I'd hoped we'd left back in the dark ages with FFXI Dynamis shells.

It is a fair call to want healers to have swiftcast, however he didn't care to specify whether he had all his cross class skills to maximize his damage output/survivability.
After a quick search through the lodestone, he has neither Blood for Blood nor Mercy Strike, so he could be doing far more for his teams than he currently is. Admittedly he is working towards them, and has the equivalent levels it'd take for a WHM to get Swiftcast, but we're talking about having specific skills to maximize end game, which currently, he simply does not.

[Sziadan]

Ok, while I completely agree that Swiftcast is good and every WHM should aim for it, I do NOT agree that the WHM is holding people back for not having it.
If you die then it's your fault and you're the one holding people back.

I'm currently working on getting Swiftcast, but guess what? I've taken down Titan as well with my FC.
Swiftcast isn't a requirement to take down HM primals or the level 50 dungeons, it may make ressing people who constantly fail easier for you.
But as I said earlier, they are the ones holding the party back then, not the WHM.

As for using swiftcast for other skills.. Like what? Medica II?
There's no dungeon right now where an instant Medica/Medica II/Cure is a requirement, or even needed.

[Wobi]

If you are a tank or DD that does not carry NQ/HQ mega potions for that emergency HP in the event the healer is tied down for a second then YOU are holding back your team. Second Wind is a must. Also if you are a any job that does not use food, YOU are holding your team back and should uninstall.

[Aibo]

Yet almost everysingle time I go into DF, the White Mage never has Swiftcast, and we wipe. Everytime the WHM does have swiftcast, we win, coincidence? I think not.

good job on dying, lol

[Mamba]

..elitism..

Sadly there is still lot of it in FFXIV
And over what?!
FFXIV is the easiest MMO ever, the game doesn't take that much skill.
Sure there are spells and abilities that makes your life easier but with a good PC and good connection you can do pretty much everything with or without some of the things mentioned in this thread.
The biggest challenge seems to be being able to run out of attacks on time, and I know for a fact it is down to the performance of the machine you play on (I play both on laptop and my kick ass PC and I can see MASSIVE difference between these 2).

The amount of asshattery is absolutely astonishing in the game and in these forums - and the word "stupid" is mentioned way too many times in these posts.

I am a healer and I see ppl standing in AOEs and moving when the animation already goes off. Often ppl say it's lag and I know it's really annoying when no one believes you that it's lag- instead they call you stupid.

[Landiien]

Oh, good! Another negative, elitist thread to discourage even more players from leveling support classes.

I wasn't aware of Swiftcast because I don't like to spoil the game with guides and I like to be surprised when I get new abilities. This could have been a really constructive heads-up, but something about anonymity makes being l33t irresistible.

Brilliant.