Swiftcast isent just for raises, its for spot heals
If you're too good for swiftcast you're too good to be in my group
Swiftcast isent just for raises, its for spot heals
If you're too good for swiftcast you're too good to be in my group

try playing monk the correct way in any difficult content and tell me all dps is easy in this game. Whm is brain dead boring and swiftcast is a must for fastcast cures and raises in oh shit moments. There are situations when something can become unavoidable and kill someone regardless of there skill. Too often do i see whms running arouind w/ no swiftcast in lvl50 content and w/ no MP while people are at full health because they dont know how to manage there MP. The only braindead dps class is ARC/BRD it has all the upsides of a ranged and all the dps w/ no drawbacks besides a shitty LB that really doesnt matter.

This thread could have been very very civil and insightful if the OP wasn't rude or rather demanding with his message. His message holds true, WHMs should have swiftcast, but if you say things in a very ill-mannered way, your point won't get across will come off as an know-it-all.
While I do agree that the skill is extremely powerful, in more ways than one. I think it's a DPS' job to dodge everything he can. Now I'm not saying they should dodge all of it, more like do what you can to make it easier for yourself and especially us healers, since everytime you get hit, we spend that cure (mana) on you which could have been saved for cures on tanks, especially since Raise is an expensive skill to use (it cost a lot of mana).
Myself as a WHM I do see the effectiveness of swiftcast and obviously will eventually get it. But after grinding all the way to 50 the last thing on my mind was leveling another 26 levels. But while waiting for AK ques I level THM and slowly but surely its getting there.
As others have said, it shouldn't be mandatory, if people don't die for stupid reasons then things would be okay.
The biggest Problem at the moment are the european players, like me, we have an 1-2 sec. delay and cant really play like we want to.
i my self play an Scholar and im pretty sure that i need swiftcast more than an Healer from the US, sometimes i cast an heal at 50% of Tankhealth and the heal is done tank full but he falls down dead o_O.
The same problem is the fuck with this red Zones on the ground if you dont run out before they appear you mostly been hit.
I think swiftcast i an great spell for healer, but also for all magican DDs.
As a War, I pray for swiftcast heals on those spike damage bosses... or when I get WHM that like to run around a lot.

I'm ready to enter Castrum as my next instance and so far haven't learned it, and haven't needed it (Once or twice I've known it would have saved us, but meh). I know "endgame" is post story content, but it's a hassle to get. Our own skills should suffice but they don't which is sad. Although benediction will help too, despite its huge 5 minute CD.
If Presense of Mind didn't have such a weak effect it would be decent in replacement / worth using. (doubles spellspeed: at+90ish spellspeed on gear it drops me to 1.94 or something GCD, or about 20% faster casting, but the way it works, with no spellspeed you get a mere .1 seconds for 10 seconds in 5 fucking minutes.)
I'll be getting it eventually (THM is 10 for now) but goddamn, our skill needs fixing so it's not quite so important, not everyone demanding we have to crossclass further than anyone else is "required" to to play one class.

To the person who said, "not raise them and let the party wipe," and those that agree. Remember they died, not the healer, don't take it out on them when they are busy managing their MP and keeping a tank alive so they DON'T insta-wipe, regardless of SC. As WHM the Refresh we get has a fairly long cool down so dropping a good chunk of MP to raise someone when they are trying to keep everyone alive in the mean time goes on the back burner. It's when we're all back on track that it SHOULD happen, it shouldn't be impulsive because those few hundred MP could be the difference between the tank dieing and Shroud of Saints being up.
I am in the EU area as well and, no I don't have swiftcast, yet. I've never had a problem with raising people in battles if I keep my buffs up on the Tank I usually have 8-10 seconds to make preparations to get someone up before dropping a cure bomb, but I am not at end game, yet. My biggest problem is the terrible EU server lag, on red circles, and the people that insta-return.
I mean WTH I've done a damn good job of managing my MP, Tank doesn't get to critical on my watch, you can wait your turn. My argument isn't for or against Swiftcast, its about the attitude of people in the game, play your best, don't blame others.
If you made a mistake, own it. If the Healer blunders, they should own it too.
Last edited by ErnestoGiovanni; 09-11-2013 at 04:13 PM.

I cant think of a single time swiftcast is needed for raise. If you are dying that often you DO need to step up your game. Every good duty finder party I've had involves everyone avoiding the aoe's and various other avoidable attacks. I'm not saying swiftcast isn't useful, but in reality there are no deaths at endgame, either you are taking too much damage, or the whm isnt healing properly, in both cases you have a major issue that swiftcast + raise will not fix. It IS however, useful for increasing the parties margin of error. I will say it is a rare occasion I have ever HAD to use swift cast. With free company members, even in gimped gear, we are able to clear all but the hardest of endgame content. (Read: TITAN HARD MODE)So your excuse for deliberately holding back your healing potential for your team is...."everyone else in my team should get better"? Stop making excuses and learn Swiftcast. It has many uses beyond just raising, and to make excuses to NOT Learn it while still hoping to participate in endgame is going to get you laughed at, nothing more.
The tank is our main priority, the healers second, the support third, and the DPS last. If you are in danger of death, then it is most definitely yours or the tanks fault. not the healer. Rarely in my experiences, duty finder, or FC parties at endgame, have we won unless everyone is on their A-Game. It's an easy thing to blame a healer because your party wiped. It's a hard thing to admit you are at fault and should be trying to make things easier on the healer. You have to move around some!
Back to the point though, swiftcast as a White Mage is preferred but not required.
Main point: If you're dying from AOE's its your fault, if you're dying because you got hate then its most likely your fault (or the tanks), if you're dying and the white mage is sitting on full mp its their fault. If you don't like that maybe you shouldn't do endgame.
Last edited by TussDistaud; 09-11-2013 at 04:23 PM.
OP just learn to play and stop dying to avoidable damage.It's that simple, and yeah i am being blunt here.
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