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  1. #21
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    ApolloGenX's Avatar
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    Galen Amaranthe
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    Cure 3 is a horrible joke, and stoneskin is junky.

    If they would fix these, it would help a lot. WHMs are very simplistic healers... so having some of their tools be so terrible has a big impact. Are they capable? Of course... they are just boring and clunky.

    There's really nothing special about them anymore... certainly no reason to think of WHMs as "the healer" anymore. Kind of sad, really.
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  2. #22
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    Staris Fate
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Honestly they need to fix the delays. It is not lag it is that the game checks location only 3 times a second, its a 333 millisecond lag built into the engine.

    Not that its not doable with that delay, but its annoying.

    You can test it yourself by casting a spell and moving immediatly.
    and watch how far the cast bar gets before it cancels. (avg 200-300 ms)
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  3. #23
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    Sparkle Sunshine
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    Leviathan
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    Cure 3 is a horrible joke, and stoneskin is junky.

    If they would fix these, it would help a lot. WHMs are very simplistic healers... so having some of their tools be so terrible has a big impact. Are they capable? Of course... they are just boring and clunky.

    There's really nothing special about them anymore... certainly no reason to think of WHMs as "the healer" anymore. Kind of sad, really.
    Cure three is certainly niche (the aoe range could use a buff) but Stoneskin? Junky?

    No.

    While Stoneskin's utility is pretty minimal in most early content but it's invaluable for HM Garuda (to some extent)/Titan/Coil.

    Titan in particular it can be used to more or less nullify the first swing before Upheaval hits (probably the second biggest cause of Phase 3 wipes after bombs), a combo that all up hits a PLD for about 6-8k damage, taking pressure off you before Tremor hits the entire party for at least 50% of their HP (scales up as the fight drags on in P3)
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    Done this dance a few too many times.

  4. #24
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    Galen Amaranthe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alente View Post
    Cure three is certainly niche (the aoe range could use a buff) but Stoneskin? Junky?

    No.

    While Stoneskin's utility is pretty minimal in most early content but it's invaluable for HM Garuda (to some extent)/Titan/Coil.

    Titan in particular it can be used to more or less nullify the first swing before Upheaval (probably the second biggest cause of Phase 3 wipes after bombs) hits, a combo that all up hits a PLD for about 6-8k damage, taking pressure off you before Tremor hits the entire party for at least 50% of their HP (scales up as the fight drags on in P3)
    That's why I called it junky, not useless. It's a terribly niche ability and expensive. WHMs only get a few tools, a couple CDs (both a bit more useful).. then Cure 3, which is terrible due to range- with ranged fixed it would be great...and Stoneskin... which you can take off your hotbar for most fights.
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  5. #25
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    Ahraliah Moon
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    I just unlocked SCH, to get it to 34 for Eye to Eye for my WHM. So far, at only level 31, SCH is very boring to me. The fairy does most of the work, while I DoT and spam Ruin, more or less. WHM may not have the best mechanics, but at least it requires thinking.

    I have heard SCH struggles from Brayflox onwards, so maybe by then I will see what everyone else has been saying. 34 will be the deciding point for me whether or not to take it to 50.
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    That's why I called it junky, not useless. It's a terribly niche ability and expensive. WHMs only get a few tools, a couple CDs (both a bit more useful).. then Cure 3, which is terrible due to range- with ranged fixed it would be great...and Stoneskin... which you can take off your hotbar for most fights.
    I wouldn't call an ability scaled towards endgame niche, that's what the game should be balanced around. Wouldn't have hurt for SE to unlock Stoneskin at around 40 (when people have some HP to base it off) but that's not really possible with it being cross-class.

    The cost isn't terribly high either actually once you get into decent level 50 gear. The problem sub/early-50 is nothing really comes with Piety which makes Stoneskin/Holy unfeasible for any real use during combat. In i70+ you're looking at about 6% mana pool usage for a cast. Worth spamming on the entire party in combat? God no, horribly mana inefficient. But for pre-boss fight buffing (giving the tank plenty of time to position) and prepping a tank for a big hit it's a great skill. A skill doesn't have to be good for every fight to be a useful tool.
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    Done this dance a few too many times.

  7. #27
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    An ability that makes minimal difference in a select few fights is a negligible ability.

    I am not arguing that it has zero use cases... I am saying that the use cases are of small value, little impact, and low frequency- all making it a rather lackluster ability.

    VVV...to the below- I do apologize if my post seems rude. I am not trying to be, I am merely stating my opinion and why I believe as I do. I certainly understand that everyone has a different idea of fun and I am not trying to trvilalize or demean anyone for their opnions.
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    Last edited by ApolloGenX; 09-11-2013 at 06:12 AM.

  8. #28
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    Nathaniel Steel
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    Cerberus
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    Conjurer Lv 38
    i think your being very rude to people whos advice and opions you are asking, i am having problems hence while im tralling these to see if other people are having problems after reading the majority of comment, i believe its just in my case inexperiance of being of playing healer i have always been dps, However that is a challange im willing to arry on with you have to choices become a dp or tank or push on, but being rude to ther people just makes you look like a incompitent whino!!!!! to everyone else who has commented thanks.
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