Gear Check Can I have it?

[Calyanare]

There's complaining because these fights are actually difficult, require certain class set ups, and require a certain ILVL of gear to attempt.

But they don't require certain class setups or ilvl to attempt, or even to complete successfully. These things make them much easier to do quickly, but you can do things with a less than ideal setup, and there is every indication that the game is designed to allow for that. There's another thread here somewhere about people doing Ifrit HM without what everyone considers an ideal setup and doing just fine.

I wouldn't complain if they took them off duty finder, but I don't foresee that ever happening, so people who want to personally vet everyone in their group should do so, and not complain when they get random people while using a "find me random people" system.

[Esmian]

I don't think checks should be AS restrictive as that but...come on people. Can you not sign up for HM garuda with lv 20ish rings and bracelets and a low level 40 weapon? Usually the cracked version that requires a person to craft it so it's halfway decent? It's ridiculous.

[Bustercucumbers]

Garuda and higher is where I think the gear checks need to come in. I hate waiting 30 minutes to an hour to get into garuda and instantly know we are going to wipe when I see 3/4 of the group wearing level 40 weapons and full af.

[Kyriea]

You could just not use Duty Finder? I always see this complaining that people don't like what they get but they never take the opportunity to make their own group with people they can know before entering. I admit people do enter dungeons under geared sometimes however that's the risk you take. If you don't want to take the risk, plan it out before hand and get a group together that meets your demands rather than placing a restriction on everyone simply based on their weapon.

If I wanted to farm good gear before even trying ifrit etc to make sure I was good, farmed a full set of AF2 but still had a weapon of say item level 49, does that mean I'm not a good enough tank for Ifrit? If it was considering all gear I would still be against it because this way promotes people to make their own skilled groups if they get fed up enough. Hopefully people will realise this and keep their elitist views away from the general community and in their own community entirely, that way people would be a lot happier playing their own style.

[Esmian]

Except weapon gear checks really aren't just demands placed by players, they're imposed by the developers as well. Take Garuda for instance where you have an add that heals Garuda and will forestall the fight indefinitely if the dps is really that low. You can have the best rotation in the world but you'll still be limited by your own stats in terms of how much damage you can put out. That's why there are item levels on the gear in general. They act as a benchmark for how well your character would perform on average in its role. Think of it in terms of system requirements for games. You could possibly play a game where you fall under the benchmark requirements to play it comfortably but would you really want to?

[Shiyo]

You could just not use Duty Finder?

The problem is EVERYONE is using it, or the vast majority. No one see's your shout, no one is shouting, there's no central hub for finding groups like whitegate or jueno because you can just queue up from anywhere. Less FC's/linkshells recruiting, less players trying to form a community to get things done, etc. The duty finder itself negatively effects the entire process of forming groups for content, just saying "don't use it" doesn't work.

That's why I made a LS on my server called "Leviathan LFG" where I invite players to who are interested in a LFG LS. We basically use it as a global chat channel for finding members, everyone should really have one of these on their servers. I've made tons of groups, friends, and formed my own FC from it, it's so nice. The MMO community as a whole for the past decade really needs much less reliance on the duty finder, it's made games and it's communities so much worse.

[Firon]

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There needs to be gear checks too many people think they should be carried by others. I also never said what i suggested should be the norm I simply gave examples on how SE should gear check people. No one is being elitist there simply people who don't care about gear. DD's who can't even kill ifrits nails, that's pretty sad, and the fact that people wont do him with a BLM/SMN lvl 2-3 limit is even worse cause they can't put out the dps to kill the nails. No one has to be super geared for the fights but having good enough gear helps.

[nekochen]

There is this famous words I've been hearing alot..

"Skill level > Gear level"

We're not playing counter strike or street fighter here.

There are stats in a RPG for a reason, if your specific stats is not up to par -- say against Garuda HM, you'll never beat her regeneration no matter how good you're in Street Fighter or Super Mario.

Having skillful movement helps, but one screw up will have you killed if you aren't geared. Vice versa, having the greatest gear can still get you killed if you are having difficulty pressing a couple keys... though there will be more room for error than those who are under-geared.

[Firon]

There is this famous words I've been hearing alot..

"Skill level > Gear level"

We're not playing counter strike or street fighter here.

There are stats in a RPG for a reason, if your specific stats is not up to par -- say against Garuda HM, you'll never beat her regeneration no matter how good you're in Street Fighter or Super Mario.

Having skillful movement helps, but one screw up will have you killed if you aren't geared. Vice versa, having the greatest gear can still get you killed if you are having difficulty pressing a couple keys... though there will be more room for error than those who are under-geared.

Yup and a drg with perfect rotation still doing 20k less dmg than the other drg yup Skill > Gear.

[Kyriea]

It's fair enough and I mostly agree however the attitude of most groups at the moment is bad enough even for geared players and fuelling that further isn't the way to go about it I don't think. I think like you said there is no central hub and that is indirectly responsible for the duty finder not working out as well as it should. If they added a city in the middle for higher level players, something along the lines of Whitegate of Jeuno then people can shout for members or recruit for FC's ect and there will be less elitist attitudes in the DF. Or we the players could agree on a hub to use. A hub for players to get together to recruit is almost essential in games like this and the vast majority if not all (except XIV) mmo's have one.