Gear Check Can I have it?

[Firon]

There is this famous words I've been hearing alot..

"Skill level > Gear level"

We're not playing counter strike or street fighter here.

There are stats in a RPG for a reason, if your specific stats is not up to par -- say against Garuda HM, you'll never beat her regeneration no matter how good you're in Street Fighter or Super Mario.

Having skillful movement helps, but one screw up will have you killed if you aren't geared. Vice versa, having the greatest gear can still get you killed if you are having difficulty pressing a couple keys... though there will be more room for error than those who are under-geared.

Yup and a drg with perfect rotation still doing 20k less dmg than the other drg yup Skill > Gear.

[Esmian]

Except weapon gear checks really aren't just demands placed by players, they're imposed by the developers as well. Take Garuda for instance where you have an add that heals Garuda and will forestall the fight indefinitely if the dps is really that low. You can have the best rotation in the world but you'll still be limited by your own stats in terms of how much damage you can put out. That's why there are item levels on the gear in general. They act as a benchmark for how well your character would perform on average in its role. Think of it in terms of system requirements for games. You could possibly play a game where you fall under the benchmark requirements to play it comfortably but would you really want to?

[Kyriea]

It's fair enough and I mostly agree however the attitude of most groups at the moment is bad enough even for geared players and fuelling that further isn't the way to go about it I don't think. I think like you said there is no central hub and that is indirectly responsible for the duty finder not working out as well as it should. If they added a city in the middle for higher level players, something along the lines of Whitegate of Jeuno then people can shout for members or recruit for FC's ect and there will be less elitist attitudes in the DF. Or we the players could agree on a hub to use. A hub for players to get together to recruit is almost essential in games like this and the vast majority if not all (except XIV) mmo's have one.

[Firon]

It's fair enough and I mostly agree however the attitude of most groups at the moment is bad enough even for geared players and fuelling that further isn't the way to go about it I don't think. I think like you said there is no central hub and that is indirectly responsible for the duty finder not working out as well as it should. If they added a city in the middle for higher level players, something along the lines of Whitegate of Jeuno then people can shout for members or recruit for FC's ect and there will be less elitist attitudes in the DF. Or we the players could agree on a hub to use. A hub for players to get together to recruit is almost essential in games like this and the vast majority if not all (except XIV) mmo's have one.

You can't say someone gear is bad if they can't even enter the raid tho. Only way to get in is to be geared.

[Esmian]

There will always be elitist attitudes but just personally it's been an absolute nightmare getting a group together for this fight. With not having FC members up to the fight yet the options are either use DF or teleport around to a bunch of different places just so people can hear the shout for a group. So it'd be nice to have a gear check for DF as well as an easier way to inform people on the server that you're looking for a group.

[Kyriea]

Gear doesn't equal skill though, so people with good gear can be bad players. People will always be elitist but with the duty finder the way it is they're all cramming into it and insulting players rather than planning beforehand. There will always, and I really mean always regardless of an item level check, be people who can't do what others will want them to do either because they were piggy backed to the top or simply people expect better than what you need. The latter is unfortunately true for a lot because people want things to be done as fast as possible and don't like any wait at all.

SE just need to help the community find a place to recruit players of similar skill/playstyle so that the duty finder isn't abused as much as it is currently. Or add more filters to the duty finder to distinguish between elite players and laid back players. I am a laid back player but I have no time for people who rage quit after 1 wipe simply because somebody was new. I like helping people not slamming them about it, and people leaving helps nobody. I have to say being thanked for helping someone get the feel of a dungeon for the first time brings more satisfaction to the grind.

[Jennestia]

I really don't get it - You can buy all the gear you need easily but that doesn't mean squat lol, people can still be bad at their job or have a poor rotation. Just like this PLD in Full DL with their relic - most horrible PLD I've ever seen, yet this PLD in Aetherial 47 gear? One of the best lol.

Gear check is just trying to further fracture the community for no reason - Skill is and always will be the main factor and gear is always helpful, a supplement if you will, not the reason someone is good.

[Firon]

I really don't get it - You can buy all the gear you need easily but that doesn't mean squat lol, people can still be bad at their job or have a poor rotation. Just like this PLD in Full DL with their relic - most horrible PLD I've ever seen, yet this PLD in Aetherial 47 gear? One of the best lol.

Gear check is just trying to further fracture the community for no reason - Skill is and always will be the main factor and gear is always helpful, a supplement if you will, not the reason someone is good.

Like i said show where having gimp gear will make you better than the guy with good gear and skill, I'll wait. Skill alone is not enough.

[Jennestia]

Like i said show where having gimp gear will make you better than the guy with good gear and skill, I'll wait. Skill alone is not enough.

Conversely, show where having BiS in all slots automatically makes you a great player. A good player puts good gear to use, but having good gear doesn't automatically make you good at your job. Skill alone isn't enough, but it's much more important than just passing a gear check because I can tell you right now it takes no skill to roll a need or greed on a primal weapon or dungeon loot and walk out with a ilvl 50-60 piece of equipment which will let you pass gear checks for other dungeons.

This is why systems like this doesn't really do anything other than alienate people since the one thing it doesn't take into consideration is player skill, it purely just looks at a number. For example go to the AH, people from 1.0 who sat on certain weapons can unload ilvl 70 weapons that anyone with 20-110k can buy.

[cfStatic]

I find it more than a little amusing that you would put any type of restriction whatsoever on Ifrit HM it's so ridiculously easy. It might take a freshly minted team in class gear 2~3 minutes more than a super geared team. Are we really going to start bitching about 2~3 minutes?