Heals for Scholors need a buff

[Kupo_Nut]

The flamewars in this thread make me sad. Aren't we healers all on the same team?

NEVAH!
WHMs should know their place! they are beneath us Scholars, master race.
We are too powerful that even SE feared us and limited us with stupid mechanics and bad A.I. ...

[Burstwolf]

So i read all of this a thought maybe i shouldn't go scholar. I still went scholar and found out some of the QQ is false. Scholar might need a buff but very small. Maybe some people are trying to play whm with a scholar which is wrong. Some never counted the heals from the pet .You have damage migration with heal .You should be planning ahead .So far with the pet i cant find a reason for me to control it does fine. Cant talk about endgame but for now i have no problems healing with scholar in a group.

[Valiant]

Wat. Stoneskin gives an average, 5100hp~ tank a 950~ shield at a 3s cast time. My average Adlo with Darklight/Ifirt heals for around 600 on a 2s casttime, so 600 healing and a 600 shield. Erm.

now cast succor and hit the tank the shittier shield is now active... where as if you have 2 whms in a group all their spells stack... i dont currently see SCH in endgame til SE irons the class out

[Pyros]

now cast succor and hit the tank the shittier shield is now active... where as if you have 2 whms in a group all their spells stack... i dont currently see SCH in endgame til SE irons the class out

Try playing a Scholar maybe? Shittiers shields don't overwrite stronger ones. Hit a tank with succor and it does nothing if he has a big shield.

[Rainsford]

now cast succor and hit the tank the shittier shield is now active... where as if you have 2 whms in a group all their spells stack... i dont currently see SCH in endgame til SE irons the class out

Why are you casting Succor on the tank?

I feel like SE did this on purpose. Imagine if SCH's heals stacked. 2 SCH with macros to force-cast Embrace on the tank would let them keep everyone else in the party running 4 shields, 2 Succor and 2 Adlo. That's essentially a 900 potency shield with little fear of running out of MP. It would trivialize every encounter.

SCH suffers from two things: redundancy with 2 in a group and Faerie heals not scaling with SCH gear. Aside from that, a properly played SCH (keeping your fairy placed in the middle of the fight, force-casting Embrace, keeping Shadow Flare up, etc) will beat a WHM in everything but an AOE heal race.

[Iwazaru]

Only problem I have with scholar is that my pet just spams all their cooldowns non-stop. I've tried putting on steady or whatever but as soon as I use 1 ability they use the rest of their abilities within the same global (so I can't put back on steady before they use the rest of the abilities). It's super annoying and definitely seems like a bug since it kicks the pet out of steady right when you use any of their abilities. Can't put pet abilities in macros either...that's a huge bummer as I wanted to put all 4 of the pet abilities for both of them on 4 buttons rather than 8 seperate ones.

Also I don't get how controlling what your fairy heals with embrace is useful at all, mine already automatically heals whatever I would be telling it to heal anyways.

[Sotek]

Pretty much all my complaints/suggestions for Scholar thus far;

• Pet spamming actions (should only spam the first Lv.1 ability, Embrace in our case).
• Pet actions taking up too much space when not using the Pet Action Bar (which is borked on controllers). You can only have 1 pet out at a time, they all have the exact same ability set up, all their abilities should be shared. If I set Embrace for Eos, it should be the same Embrace for Selene should I summon her, I shouldn't need to set both versions of the same thing...
• Summon ability icons, and the party list icon, do not change from Carbuncle when equipping Scholar (or Summoner).
• Intelligence trait on Scholar is almost completely worthless with Cleric Stance. Either swap it to Mind with the Job change (which may well be the case, but I want to see it swapped, I guess), or give Arcanist a middle ground with Enhanced Piety instead of Intelligence.
• Leeches is a pathetic excuse for a Job Ability. It's worse than Esuna, a Lv.18 ability, and is in no way unique to Scholar at all (minus the casting animation). Adloquium puts a barrier on your target after healing them, Leeches should do the same. A barrier that protects from a status effect, that is. I'm aware there are other Job Abilities in the game which are fairly lackluster, but those should really be changed too.
• Differentiate the fairies more... When I first saw information about Scholar I was anticipating switching fairy the same way you switched books in XIs Scholar... First phase of Ifrit DPS is fairly important (get those fetters down), throw out Selene and Fey Glow/Light. Then Ifrit readies Hellfire, swap to Eos and use Fey Covenant to mitigate damage and Fey Illumination to quickly heal up after. Call me crazy, but I think it would have been nice if one of the fairies has Esuna (and Silent Dawn is idiotically worthless, plus previous point on Leeches). That frees up Leeches for another ability. What ability? <insert name>: Switches your current fairy with her sister (are they sisters?). Eos to Selene, Selene to Eos. That doesn't really differentiate their abilities all that much, of course, just makes Selene all that more overpowered I guess... Well, I'm not on the developers pay roll, so whatever...

I don't really think there is anything too broken in that list? Swapping Silent Dawn with Leeches would actually mean Scholar doesn't have to wait until bleedin' level 40 for an Esuna... It'd be 3 levels earlier than Conjurer, but you need to be level 30 to even unlock the fairy anyway, and with four man parties with Scholar filling the Conjurer/White Mage spot at that point in the game anyway, does it really even matter?

[Valiant]

Why are you casting Succor on the tank?

I feel like SE did this on purpose. Imagine if SCH's heals stacked. 2 SCH with macros to force-cast Embrace on the tank would let them keep everyone else in the party running 4 shields, 2 Succor and 2 Adlo. That's essentially a 900 potency shield with little fear of running out of MP. It would trivialize every encounter.

SCH suffers from two things: redundancy with 2 in a group and Faerie heals not scaling with SCH gear. Aside from that, a properly played SCH (keeping your fairy placed in the middle of the fight, force-casting Embrace, keeping Shadow Flare up, etc) will beat a WHM in everything but an AOE heal race.

47 sch and 50 whm... i only see whm as viable endgame.. you talk about a 600 shield... try 4 regen effects on one person.. 2 medica II's and 2 regens... sorry thats alot better than one 600 hp shield (would be better if it did stack).. and why cast SF? You should have a BLM sleeping adds (or leave it to a SMN) especially with a paladin tank... (since their aoe abilities suck and you will end up with unnecessary enmity)

[Lebeau]

I still went scholar and found out some of the QQ is false. Scholar might need a buff but very small. Maybe some people are trying to play whm with a scholar which is wrong. Some never counted the heals from the pet .You have damage migration with heal .You should be planning ahead .So far with the pet i cant find a reason for me to control it does fine.

Whoa there Tonto. I'm glad to see your entry level experiences at 30 can speak for 99% of the issues facing the job.... The Dungeons up to level 35 could probably be healed by a black mage spamming Physick. You on the other hand can't attest to the effectiveness of Succor/Leeches because not only do you not have them, you aren't even doing content that would require them (or even remote control over the fairy).

Most of the issues being brought up here are in regards to our diminishing performance as encounter difficulty scales upwards.

[Rainsford]

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Medica II's HP Regen is 100 and Regen's is 150 per GCD. So that's 250 points of healing per GCD compared to a 300 potency (900 on Crit) shield per GCD. Discounting the 3~s cast time on Medica II, using Adlo is significantly superior to Cure spamming with Regens up. This is discounting the Faerie and the fact that a WHM can easily go OOM doing this, while a SCH can do it forever. Keep in mind as well that lots of that Regen can end up overhealing, something that's much less likely with a shield (when a SCH crit's an Aldo, she can use the bigger shield as a cushion to do other stuff with the GCD. If a regen crits on an overheal, it's wasted).

Shadow Flare is a guaranteed slow with a 30s duration. I'm not sure why you're talking about sleeping adds, since trash pulls don't matter in this game (half the endgame content puts you in an arena with the boss right off the bat).