Online Bullying - A Dev request for a response and discussion

[Rakashu]

Glad to see a discussion has started. Talking about what the community thinks is why I posted.

I personally am a grown man, mid 30s, I've seen my fair share of bullies and can deal with them in my own way. However, it's not me I'm worried about.

It's kids bullying other kids that really troubles me, because it's often 'hidden' online. Kids won't often speak out, won't stick up for themselves, they won't tell anyone it's happening.

As a community I think we all have a responsibility to do something about it. Whilst I do agree with BrainWoodstock that 95% of the guys in DF are cool, it doesn't mean that we should let the 5% carry on.

dude, there's blacklist for a reason and you can easily just leave a dungeon if people are giving you a problem. There's no need for the community to take action, people need to take responsibility for them selves.

[Somi]

Please just enjoy playing despite bad personalities. Make friends, blacklist people who offend you. Also consider that things said in chat have no tone and you may misunderstand it occasionally.

I once had someone yell at me in this way:
me: "Click on the fire" (after fire ele boss, when noone joined me at the next stage)
some troubled team mate: "Who do you think you are telling me what to do!"

I was speechless... but I hope it was a joke...

[Avengedangel]

This is the sort of stuff I'm talking about, posted by Fusion Xfromgamerescape this morning on twitter.

Should we just 'grow up' and 'deal with it'?

http://i.imgur.com/V4Punrb.jpg

Oh yes, I saw this earlier as well.

This right here is the type of crap that you shouldn't just brush off, blacklist and move on. If anything, that person should be reported (which I'm hoping they were) and perm-banned. I don't know why exactly someone would get so extremely irritated over a game just because someone is new to an instance, or because they messed up on something (stunning on plumes apparently). The way this guy acted is BEYOND ridiculous.

[d4rkie]

You want a terribly scripted auto ban system that's based only on the number of reports?

It can silence people and make them able to communicate only with scripted phrases. Would be fine by me. That being said, auto-banning is bad. I'd like GMs to decide on bans, but have their reports there to check.

[Padren]

I got into a stone vigil tonight. It was one of the worst MMO experiences i've had in years.

The healer was a lvl 50, he said he was from the server Leviathan but I wont post his name. Anyways on the last boss the took off all his gear and wiped us. Then he kept telling us he was going to heal for real and then wipe us again. After the third wipe he decided he was done and wasn't going to heal.

I have a screen shot where he specifically said "I joined this dungeon just to troll"

Really awesome considering my hour long que.

[Aldora]

Every where where you have to involve yourself with a living being, be it a person you work with, you play with, come across on the street, or even your/their pets. There will always be nice people, but also rude people. That is something we cannot change. How ever, that doesn't make it OK to rage/lash out to someone, just because they did something wrong.

Usually people tend to react based on their emotional state at that time. Who knows, you might be the 10th person (s)he's come across which makes the same frustrating mistake. You never know. Next to that, being anonymous online, people tend to say the first thing what's on their mind, even if its rude.

At some cases, opinions/reactions that were meant to be constructive, can still be interpreted as offensive by others.

The only we as players can do, is respect others, help them out when needed and most of all, stay calm and composed. Do not let our emotions do the talking. (^_^ )

[Duelle]

I got into a stone vigil tonight. It was one of the worst MMO experiences i've had in years.

The healer was a lvl 50, he said he was from the server Leviathan but I wont post his name. Anyways on the last boss the took off all his gear and wiped us. Then he kept telling us he was going to heal for real and then wipe us again. After the third wipe he decided he was done and wasn't going to heal.

I have a screen shot where he specifically said "I joined this dungeon just to troll"

Really awesome considering my hour long que.

As I said, we need a "vote to kick" feature within Duty Finder.

[BrainWoodstock]

Glad to see a discussion has started. Talking about what the community thinks is why I posted.

I personally am a grown man, mid 30s, I've seen my fair share of bullies and can deal with them in my own way. However, it's not me I'm worried about.

It's kids bullying other kids that really troubles me, because it's often 'hidden' online. Kids won't often speak out, won't stick up for themselves, they won't tell anyone it's happening.

They problem are not the kids, more the parents that are overprotecting them, the kids dont learn how to deal witch such person and so they dont know what to do.
Its the same as tree climbing, first 10 time i did fall from the tree but than i knowed what to do and made it up. Know the parents are to afraid to let there kids climb up a tree and also there are to afraid to let them deal with there problems themself. They are growing up to adults and still cant stay for themself.

[Efrye]

I could see how this would be terrible for unstable people to read... oh boy. I see, I see.

I don't think it matters how "stable" you are. Last time I checked, this is a game and most people come here to have fun, which just isn't possible with these kinds of people.

I think one of the main problems is this mentality of "just suck it up". If there's no punishment or negative consequence to their actions, why would they even think of stopping? They are accepted, oftentimes even encouraged if they mask their toxicity in sarcasm and snarky remarks. Most of them don't even seem to realize that they're being complete asshats because everyone is just like "Oh, that's the way it goes on the interwebs olololol!".

[Vydos]

I'll have to say that I've seen very little bashing, swearing, bullying during all of my duty finder runs.
However the first time I saw it, was during Ifrit(Hard). And surprisingly it resembled a bit like the above.

I've noticed that this kind of behaviour suddenly appears during the level 50 instances/boss fights/primal battles.
But even then, it doesn't happen that badly. I just ignore it, knowing that's the 10% of the player base who acts like that on failures.

Funny enough, I was a PLD tank who had to stun Ifrit's eruptions as well for the first time. I'm usually a very good player. But it was past midnight that day and I was feeling drowzy. Which was a bad idea to do an Ifrit run. Little to say that I stunned the plumes a lot of times by accident, due to reacting a bit too fast. People need to understand however that high pressure/ ingame latency / inexperience can lead to people stunning the plumes. The interval to stun an eruption is sometimes very short due to latency issues.

It's sometimes stressful when you stun Ifrit only to see that eruption bar almost fill itself completely before seeing the stun effect apply.
That said, for those pld tanks on stun duty. Ifrit has a fixed pattern of when he uses eruption. If you're having troubles reacting on time, learn the pattern instead.

I don't have that issue anymore though. And I can even tank and stun his eruptions at the same time.