History repeats itself: Time for the Great Archer Nerf of 2011

[Physic]

the advantages to the 3000 tp skills, is when you buff them/use them in a BR because you can put a lot of accuracy and damage on one big move, whereas the other skills give you more dmg over time, but the buffs are less effective. boosting something that does 200 dmg 10% and doing something that does 500 dmg 10% you get more out of it.


Honestly i havent seen the numbers, and yeah i wouldnt be surprised if archer was outdmging people, but i think they need to add more cool mechanics that are job specific, like multishot, . I have to say its one of the best job specific skills out there. Flurry is cool, and light strike is useful. but multishot is on another level, and they do get two of em. And some of the others enimity up, booorring

[Peregrine]

instant except for the huge recast part.
this thread is like trying to teach a cat to roll over.

How long is the recast time if you divide by 8?
Again, not like this group is capable of creating a novel defense, seeing as how this debate already took place for years, years ago.

[Peregrine]

I'm a tad curious, when you mention Doomspike care to share what you use with it? I'm not a fan of the abilities that take up all my TP since they seem inaccurate xD

EDIT: Wow this got a lot of pages fast.

Because archer should have been nerfed months ago, and now there are too many of them too addicted to its advantages.
Again, not unexpected. It was much worse in XI. By the time SE got around to nerfing the overprivileged rangers, there were legions of them and they already controlled all of endgame.

[Timotheus]

How long is the recast time if you divide by 8?
Again, not like this group is capable of creating a novel defense, seeing as how this debate already took place for years, years ago.

another logical fallacy...
I am disappointed.
I am truly sick of your repeating fallacy.

Invalid point is as much as an invalid point, it can't beat an old but valid point no matter how old it is.

[Peregrine]

so...people already do that? or just theory?

the problem is on the enemy, not on design of ARC

about playstyle using arrow, yes I think it should be emphasized...

You can't design an enemy that archer isn't the answer to. Again, allllllready tried this 7 years ago. Failed.
You all STILL act like you've said a SINGLE novel thing as to why you shouldn't get the nerf. Every one of your all's arguments is the same that rangers gave before and they were nerfed almost into oblivion just to teach them a lesson about balance and karma.

Let the nerf happen now, before they take a divine sword to the spoiled archers of 2012.

[Peregrine]

another logical fallacy...
I am disappointed.
I am truly sick of your repeating fallacy.

Lol not logical fallacy. It's the same mathematical fact that brought you the old rangerburns and ninja tanking. There is an ability that offers one shadow in this game. And that's all you need, baby. Rangerburn is BACK!

[Peregrine]

Made you a video.

Same situation, same mobs, same gear, 48 PUG instead of 50 Archer.

Second Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swRsHpF3BIc (repeating the example in video 1 on my 48 PUG)


48 PUG: 970
Archer: 1220

Difference: 250

Would a better weapon and 2 levels give me 250 more damage? I would bet that it would be close.

Conclusion: Find something other than damage to determine why Archer is OP. Damage output is not as off the wall as it is given credit for.

The original video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LJTrQoGoUc

You have all those meleers at 50, and you corrupted the constants why?
Maybe it's because your pug has the best shot, and your R50 meleers do even worse.

[Aion]

You can't design an enemy that archer isn't the answer to. Again, allllllready tried this 7 years ago. Failed.
You all STILL act like you've said a SINGLE novel thing as to why you shouldn't get the nerf. Every one of your all's arguments is the same that rangers gave before and they were nerfed almost into oblivion just to teach them a lesson about balance and karma.

Let the nerf happen now, before they take a divine sword to the spoiled archers of 2012.

My question is, 8 ARC fighting Great BUffalo IN FFXIV, is it ALREADY HAPPEN or NOT????

[Timotheus]

Lol not logical fallacy. It's the same mathematical fact that brought you the old rangerburns and ninja tanking. There is an ability that offers one shadow in this game. And that's all you need, baby. Rangerburn is BACK!

Wrong assumption. Next.

Sorry, I have been excepting too much.

[DoctorMog]

You have all those meleers at 50, and you corrupted the constants why?
Maybe it's because your pug has the best shot, and your R50 meleers do even worse.

If by "all those melees" you mean 50 glad 50 archer and 48 pug, then yes.

THM, CON and Shield aren't melees sir.

As for LNC and MRD, I would be glad to repeat this test on them once I have them at 50.