Are tanks/heals broken? Or am I just unlucky?

[Murtagh]

As a GLD/PLD tank in my opinion, tanks don't seem to have enough enmity/threat, I didn't have a hard time holding aggro but it certainly wasn't easy doing it until I got to 40PLD and got the Shield Oath stance that increases enmity. Now I have no problem at all.

Also they really need to fix provoke, it's pretty much useless, it hardly ever pulls aggro.

[Alice_89th]

You are probably just unlucky.

But I don't think that taking over the roles of others is going to do them (or you) any good in the long run. Take a bit of time to give them hints and you'll see that most of the time things will improve. I've done multiple dungeon runs where the tank didn't pull enough, and every time simply asking them (politely, mind you) the situation greatly improved and we got through the dungeon just fine.

Also, as I healer I can tell you that when the tank fails to do its job it suddenly gets a lot harder. I've been through runs where I never had to heal anyone but the tank. But if the tank doesn't pull enough you suddenly find yourself healing everyone including yourself (because the mobs don't like characters who use healing spells all the time), and I can promise you that you will die in the long run if that happens.

[Vanidin]

i wish SE didnt take this route should of stayed with some kinda skill to win vs needing a certain amount of DEF or DPS to win a fight, as a DD or mage your basicly 1-2 shots on a boss then your dead, on lv50 ifrit you either have a SMN or BLM to LB the nails or your dead, unless you guys are gimped you'll cut it close.

It needs to be a balance between gear level and skill in my opinion. I enjoy the difficulty level but it is distressing to meet so many people in DF that don't prepare or understand basic tactics like get out of the red spots (don't stand in the fire! ;p) CC when possible etc.

[Sterob]

First of all, tell us your build, did you go for int or mind? mind increase healing power while int increase your dps. If you go full int of course your heal will suck. Furthermore, arc and scholar heal suck,period. You need to control your pet to heal and you cant do so if you are already casting your heal. at lv 30, white mage can heal for 400 hp a tick while full mind arc heal only 200 hp. I have been running with CNJ and their heal is fine even with just white (ques) gear. Tank are fine, provoke is instant mob grab but since people want easy mode that why they only use it once in a fight. A good tank will always spam it when it go off cooldown and NO dps could ever take aggro from you.

[Reibees]

You are probably just unlucky.

But I don't think that taking over the roles of others is going to do them (or you) any good in the long run.
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I don't "Take over" roles. I summon my tanking carby when both tank and heal fail to stay alive so I don't suffer damages. Or one or the other, if tank dies, carby tanks. If heal dies, I heal. Why should I and the remaining party need to wipe just because the tank and heal dunno what they're doing/can't keep up?

I've noticed suggesting tanks "not stand in the fire" results in angry tanks, too... As well as healers who just spam heal. If you tell them how to do it, in my experience, I get backlash and kicked (luckily this game doesn't yet have a kick function). They get defensive.

So... I'm kinda unsure what to do when these situations rise other than take over where I can when they die.

[Reibees]

First of all, tell us your build, did you go for int or mind? mind increase healing power while int increase your dps. If you go full int of course your heal will suck. Furthermore, arc and scholar heal suck,period. You need to control your pet to heal and you cant do so if you are already casting your heal. at lv 30, white mage can heal for 400 hp a tick while full mind arc heal only 200 hp. I have been running with CNJ and their heal is fine even with just white (ques) gear. Tank are fine, provoke is instant mob grab but since people want easy mode that why they only use it once in a fight. A good tank will always spam it when it go off cooldown and NO dps could ever take aggro from you.

Not me that's having the issue, though, I meant the other party members that constantly die. ):
I intend to go SMN.

[mermade]

I find when ACN tries to take on all of those roles it is detrimental to the team as a whole. ACN not focusing in one target, causes too much aggro, more than the tank/tank carby can handle, waking THM/BLM sleeps, and in general causing chaos. It is like a system where each person needs to contribute equally.

That being said, If your Tank/Healer additional DPS aren't taking on their load however, any amount of additional roles ACN (or anyone tries to take on) is not going to be successful. Before you start the dungeon work on a strategy with your team, find out what page everyone is on, it takes maybe a minute or two. Then you can decide who is most comfortable leading, will there be sleeping, should you pop your DoT's prior to sleeps and so forth, so you know where you stand as ACN and where you will be focusing. There is not just one strategy per se, there is a multitude of strategy and it is the beauty of the teamwork with those who are willing to communicate and have a good time.

[Lachryphage]

In all but two of the groups I have been in, the tanks and heals have died, both on bosses and minor trash.

If anyone dies on trash you should leave the group immediately. That should never happen, ever, period, no exceptions.

I'm wondering if there's something wrong here, are the tanks underpowered, or are healers? I'm really quite confused, because I shouldn't be tanking, healing, AND DPSing in every dungeon. Now and then with a newbie heal/tank or someone who was bad? Yes, I'd understand that.

It's not the classes. Up until the level 32+ dungeons you can do them one-handed while eating pizza rolls, watching cat videos on Youtube and chatting on Teamspeak. You don't even need to pay attention. You've just been getting unlucky and getting assigned mentally disabled party members. Only thing you can do is buy a rabbit's foot or join a free company.

[Reibees]

I find when ACN tries to take on all of those roles it is detrimental to the team as a whole.
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I'm not just going and randomly tanking/healing when they're still alive. I don't just send off carby mid-tank pull and agro the other half.

Idk why people are reading it as that.

I don't touch healing spells or yellow carby -UNTIL- one or the other die. In which case I take over the role (or both if both die). Because why should the whole party die for one member's mistakes.
I've done fine so far; I ended up having carby tank most dungeon bosses with little issue.. soloing them, sometimes, too. So saying it isn't going to be successful is a bit strange to say, because I can manage it just fine when the tank/heal keel over. Unless you mean people who randomly try to tank with carby or heal when the tank/heal are still up - then yes, there'd certainly be a myriad of issues following.

[mermade]

Unless you mean people who randomly try to tank with carby or heal when the tank/heal are still up - then yes, there'd certainly be a myriad of issues following.

Mhm, speaking in general when that happens and how it can cause issues.

You are likely unlucky in most situations. I'd say 75% of my dungeon experiences are pretty rough, a lot of players are still learning, and communication at the beginning of the dungeon is important for the success of it to see what everyone's goals are and how you can strategize. The earlier dungeons there is a chance you may make it alive, if everyone dies. I had a situation as THM where the healer and Tank died when the other DPS d/c'd and was able to stay alive managing mobs with sleeps, but thats not always possible. In higher difficulty instances it might be harder to manage. Hopefully at that point you are with people who have gained more skill with experience!

Gl & Hf ^-^