:::Petition:: Removal of 1017 and Reinstatement of Global Queue System

[Aytri]

I was trying to explain this to Aytri, but she apparently cannot comprehend this. I completely agree with this. They tried opening the queue's early saturday and the servers crashed. -.-

Oh, you're back. Guess you just love making trouble ^^ You explained something to me? Um, I think you just tossed out random sentences that weren't even what I had originally talked about. I just wanted a number or a time. Of which you roughly replied "They can't just let everyone in!" and I said I don't want them to let everyone in, I want an aprox time or number to which you roughly replied "But I told you they can't let everyone in, it'll crash!" and so on and so on... I think you're not comprehending. Again, if my words are too big or difficult for you, maybe I could draw a picture or diagram? Imagine this: a screen that doesn't go "ERROR! ERROR!" but rather says, "estimated time is ~~:~~" I could even colour it in crayon if you'd like. Do you have a favorite colour?

[illutian]

Click

This should help you guys understand the situation you're currently in.

Might you then explain why at Queue Position 6 I was booted out of the queue by Error 1017. Or the second time at Queue Position 221?

And unless there's FREE SERVER TRANSFERS adding more servers won't help. I wonder how many experiencing Error 1017 rolled on that server because of:
a) Friends
b) 1.0 Character Transfer


I will say I find it funny that Mr. Yoshida says a bunch of players logging in puts strain on the Login Server. ...Realy? More strain than -at least- 300 players (per server experiencing 1017) constantly going 'Start -> click character -> OK -> OK (Error 1017 window) -> Start -> click character -> OK -> OK (Error 1017 window) -> repeat for about about 15min. Also there's this handy dandy programs to automate such mundane tasks....like create a script to go through those motions, if the Error 1017 box doesn't show up then the script will just click endlessly on the location where the prompt would be, which wouldn't affect you once in game.

..in fact, none of the 'hotspots' necessary to "go through the motion" of logging in correlate, in game, to anything hazardous (ie click to move, 'X' on the window frame of the program window, log out button, etc, etc)

So, in truth, I really don't feel strain is being reduced on the Login Server(s), which would also be handling the Queue.


So far, Error 1017 is my only complaint. I don't care if I'm in a 4hr Queue. So long as I'm in a queue and can go do something else.

And not to be an elitist, but maybe Square should give priority login status to those who were with them the longest. I myself would still be out probably, started 1.0 way back when but didn't even take 5 steps...started in Phase 3 of '2.0'.
...or even to the first 1000 who rolled on each server during Phase 4 (since there was no wipe).

Because it's not exactly fair to allow 1.0ers to transfer characters for this 'rebirth'. Then go "oops, didn't figure many would like it. You can't play on that server you made plans to transfer to in Phase 3 [WHEN THERE WERE NO ISSUES], but you can re-roll. And eventually, maybe, play on the server your 1.0 character is on."
-or, in my case-

"Phase 4 will be a no-wipe phase. So cut loose and have fun, because you get to keep your character and progress on into launch. oops, guess if you want to play at all you'll need to re-roll on another sever, which may or may not begin experiencing the same restrictions as people migrate/join the game".

[fixitman]

Even my dumbed-down explanation was too complex....

I am intensely curious. Why would opening the queues crash the servers?

OK, I can see how some may not fully understand how the servers are setup. That is perfectly reasonable
There are servers that only handle the logins for multiple worlds (Lobby Servers). If they go down, more issues develop. Please see my previous post for a simple explanation of the low queues.

[Eewec]

I am intensely curious. Why would opening the queues crash the servers?

Having Queues implemented as a standard way to filter people into the game keeping people in a holding pattern which means they aren't constantly trying to get added to those queues. Hell you could even add a sort of ETA judging by previous experience for last x hours and what it does at that time of the week last week or by what it did that time of day yesterday. Then let in the first x number when the server can handle it.

Alternatively; Queues only holding those who the server can handle right that moment = everyone else constantly pounding on the door to be added to those queues.

Hmm, I can see what might cause more network traffic from here.

[AthelReiki]

Oh, you're back. Guess you just love making trouble ^^ You explained something to me? Um, I think you just tossed out random sentences that weren't even what I had originally talked about. I just wanted a number or a time. Of which you roughly replied "They can't just let everyone in!" and I said I don't want them to let everyone in, I want an aprox time or number to which you roughly replied "But I told you they can't let everyone in, it'll crash!" and so on and so on... I think you're not comprehending. Again, if my words are too big or difficult for you, maybe I could draw a picture or diagram? Imagine this: a screen that doesn't go "ERROR! ERROR!" but rather says, "estimated time is ~~:~~" I could even colour it in crayon if you'd like. Do you have a favorite colour?

Oh yeah, I'm just here messing with you now cause its entertaining. Are your insults & condescending designed to upset me? If so, its quite the entertainment ^^

Anyways, there's something called "cause and effect" - have you heard of this amazingly simple concept? If you remember - they implimented a queue to hold a lot more people on saturday - what happend? the servers crashed. Opening up the server queue and removing 1017 - what would happened? Are you smart enough to get from A to B on this one? Cause I too have crayons I could do a visio presentation too. Here's another good post that might help someone as simple as you to understand.

I've also said - that everyone's wording is incorrect. You are saying that you cannot play the game. Right? I am saying you CAN play the game. Just not on the server of your choice. So coming here and yelling and bitching that you cannot play is not a true statement. You are just being bitchy and whiny that you cannot play on the server that you want. #FirstWorldProblems #AmIRite?! You also through out some weird thing saying that "having a car with no engine means people can push me to work and I can still call it a ride to work." - Again, you analogy is incorrect. The car works just fine, you just don't want to drive it. That is your CHOICE. IT IS YOUR CHOICE TO TRY FOR HOURS TO GET INTO A SERVER AND NOT PLAY.

Also - blue, blue is my favorite color.

[MerleonHades]

You are missing one Point in your "1017" logic. I could BET that not every attempt even is trying to connect to a server.
It will attempt once in about 2 Minutes anew or so. Thats when the loading screen for character selection takes slightly longer. So yes, sure, you spam. But it doesnt affect the server probably in this situation, where 1017 is known by the client.
Also, theres a workaround for this (NOT for 1017, but forcing real reload). Its in the forums.

[fixitman]

I wouldn't be surprised if the lobby servers have the capability of detecting DOS (denial of service) attacks, and can respond to them by blocking such connections temporarily. Hammering on the lobby server(s) by an individual can be detected as such an attack. That would explain why the game spammers have a hard time getting in, while I get in every night. I only try a couple times every half-hour or so. The more aggressive you are, the lower your chances to get in.

For anyone who doesn't know what a DOS attack is, please Google it. I'm at work now, so I don't have time to explain it in detail.

[xcom]

It's 9am and already getting the dreaded 1017. Being a holiday weekend in the states, I bet I'm going to see this every time I try to log in for the next 4 days.

[Sabyn]

Considering that they're not only expanding existing worlds, but adding new ones and allowing world-server transfer of characters/avatars, I think that should finally alleviate their problems.

[Zipster]

You are missing one Point in your "1017" logic. I could BET that not every attempt even is trying to connect to a server.
It will attempt once in about 2 Minutes anew or so. Thats when the loading screen for character selection takes slightly longer. So yes, sure, you spam. But it doesnt affect the server probably in this situation, where 1017 is known by the client.
Also, theres a workaround for this (NOT for 1017, but forcing real reload). Its in the forums.

Do you have a link for this force real reload? I can't find it in the forums just searching on those key words. Thanks.