Let's keep Character Crossovers from other Square-Enix titles out of FFXIV.

[Yumi_Hibiki]

You can say what you like about Skye's retort, Yumi... But at the end of the day you still made up a statistic in a weak attempt at painting anyone who is against the notion of cross-overs of this nature in a derogatory light to weaken the argument as a whole.

You can dissemble all you want, but a faulty argument is a faulty argument. Admit you got caught and move on.

i have no problem whatsoever if you are against the very idea of crossovers, but for every person that is concerned fot that reason you see 10 that are just hateing on it because its XIII all over the internet,
this is not a "i want crossovers and you are dumb" argument on my side, its "if you hate on it just because its not a personal favorite character of yours, you are a douchebag that tries to ruin others enjoyment"

if crossovers at all are a good idea is a whole other subject, i dont really care about them that much to be honest, im just sick of the people that feel obligated to scream in my face how much of a failure they think the XIII series is every 3 hours

[SkyeWindbinder]

i have no problem whatsoever if you are against the very idea of crossovers, but for every person that is concerned fot that reason you see 10 that are just hateing on it because its XIII all over the internet,

Yay for more unproven statistics!

this is not a "i want crossovers and you are dumb" argument on my side, its "if you hate on it just because its not a personal favorite character of yours, you are a douchebag that tries to ruin others enjoyment"

Half-baked speculation! Strawman arguments! Name-calling! This just gets better and better!

if crossovers at all are a good idea is a whole other subject, i dont really care about them that much to be honest, im just sick of the people that feel obligated to scream in my face how much of a failure they think the XIII series is every 3 hours

Oversimplification and more strawman. Geez, yumi. You are making this so very easy for me. lol So, any more name-calling and over-exaggerated arguments you want to post? At this point I don't even have to try. XD

Not sure if anyone has touched on this but, an interesting way to bring them into our universe would be to make them a work of fiction in ours. Like a book turned play. They just so happen to look exactly the same. Yes that's right, an implied reference. A Hyur woman, pink/blonde hair in a specific ponytail style from the hair salon, a techy outfit based on a work of fiction called "Cocoon" (FFXIII). Our lore is protected, Lightning becomes nothing more than an event piece, completely unable to overshadow (not that we should be concerned about her presence here either way. Even if she were to play a pivotal role in our story line the writers would determine how important her back story would be to that. We've been assured it's not coming down to a "not playing FFXIII will impede your FFXIV experience" in regard to this manner).

I always thought it would be nice that every FF game (even though I've only played 1 yet own 3) would reference all the others in complete yet passive way. Like FF could be a work of fiction in FF2 and so on.

You mean like they did in FF Tactics Advanced? Actually, you bring up a very good idea. Come to think of it, that would be extremely cool in my opinion. I wonder if someone could get this idea to Yoshi?

[Yumi_Hibiki]

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glad you are having so much fun blowing your own horn, rendering my whole opinion invalid in your eyes in with some "witty" phrases sure is more convenient than a proper discussion about how to treat others in your fandom, it was nice but im done here, have fun

i guess asking to not constantly shit on a game in the same fandom because it ruins the fun for people that do like it is an act of common decency that is too much to ask from people at this point (and dont even pretend its not happening)

as much as i wouldnt mind seeing lightning in 14 i start to hope they decide against in in the last minute just so people finally stop shitting on a character and game i happen to like (well more than they already do constantly for the last years).

[SkyeWindbinder]

glad you are having so much fun blowing your own horn, rendering my whole opinion invalid in your eyes in with some "witty" phrases sure is more convenient than a proper discussion about how to treat others in your fandom, it was nice but im done here, have fun

Well, so far all you've done is speculate, throw insults, and wield your opinions as if they were some sort of fact. I don't really have to toot my own horn, Yumi. You're doing a fine job of tooting it for me. lol If you really want to have a proper discussion, then try not throwing insults around. Nothing says "MY ARGUMENT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY" quite like name-calling.

i guess asking to not constantly shit on a game in the same fandom because it ruins the fun for people that do like it is an act of common decency that is too much to ask from people at this point (and dont even pretend its not happening)

Interesting choice of words there, yumi. A bit immature (and likely to get you timed-out), but it speaks volumes about how much you're losing your cool. And that's not really called for. Nobody is "crapping" on the game. In fact, if you'd paid attention to what was said throughout the thread, you'd see that the people who are voicing their concerns over this sort of thing actually love the game a lot.

as much as i wouldnt mind seeing lightning in 14 i start to hope they decide against in in the last minute just so people finally stop shitting on a character and game i happen to like (well more than they already do constantly for the last years).

Once again, nobody is saying anything bad about the character Lightning OR the game. You're just throwing that out there. (sigh) More exaggeration. And in quite a profane manner, I might add. Once again, I must advise you to chill. Unless you want an involuntary seven day vacation from the forums.

P.S.: I see what this is about. You just admitted to liking FFXIII and Lightning, and are not happy about people "criticizing" her or the game negatively. Well, firstly, it's just a video game. And Lightning is just a character. There's no need to get that up in arms about people saying they don't like her. Heck, Sephiroth gets lots of criticism as a character as well. You don't see me spazzing about it. It's just a fictional character in a video game set in a fictional world. Lighten up, Francis.

Secondly, nobody is even saying anything bad about FFXIII or Lightning. You're taking this into a whole different direction. This is a thread started by someone who isn't too thrilled about the idea of bringing other FF characters from other games into ARR. He said nothing about not wanting this to happen because he does't like Lightning or FFXIII. And for that matter, neither did I. Pop a pill and relax, Yumi. LOL

[Sleverin]

Skye, I like you. Please tell me you're going to Balmung. We need to be taru-buddies and go around just ruling the world with our iron fists....covered in the blood and scales of Bahamut.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Skye, I like you. Please tell me you're going to Balmung. We need to be taru-buddies and go around just ruling the world with our iron fists....covered in the blood and scales of Bahamut.

Sorry, Sleverin. My linkshell and I are on masamune. >.<

Then again, I'm sure I could create a character on a different realm if I so choose!

[Sleverin]

Sorry, Sleverin. My linkshell and I are on masamune. >.<

Then again, I'm sure I could create a character on a different realm if I so choose!

If you wanted to, please do! I'm sure my FC/LS would be more than happy to bring you on board for when you wanted to visit. They're a great group of folks.

Since the topic has been a bit derailed, I thought I'd bring it a bit back home.

I, personally, do not like this crossover idea and have a lot of issues with it. To be honest, if SE came right out and said that this was purely a promotional device and that it was to service fans of the game with some vanity gear and an event, I'd be fine with it. However, they have stated (so far) that this is not a different version of Lightning and Snow, nor will it go unnoticed by those in Eorzea. I am hoping that the scope of the situation stays at something like an optional quest or behest, merely something to do but have the rest of the game left alone.

My main reason for pointing this out is that there has been no reason up to this point to reference any sort of weird multi-verse crossover potential and that there never would be, it would be superfluous at best, and a downright terrible story mechanic at worst. People will cry about the "Void" as if it's some call to a higher power, able to strike down any argument with some infallible purpose. We know little, if anything about this so-called dimension (if it can even be called that) and for what purpose it serves. Is it merely a Maguffin, a thing created solely for the purpose of the Dalamud storyline? Doubtful, as ARR has brought up the voidsent within the first few story missions. Either way, this Void is not some magic realm where all Final Fantasys exist simultaneously as if this were some Jungian pool of archetypes, able to pull any character out of a magic hat simply because the "Void" exists as a word. (The Void is essentially nothingness as a word by the way, it does not give one the means to travel dimensions by its mere existence.)

What is all this exposition for? I shall tell you, good forum goer, if you are willing to listen. The problem is, with any well established story, is that we have this idea cemented in our minds about what this game does and what happens as an internally consistent basis from what we've learned. Surely, some of you will say, "Well, we don't know everything, the rules could change at any moment." We could claim the same of reality, but that doesn't make it true. We know we need to breathe, eat, and drink. When we sleep, we will most likely wake in the morning. The rules simply do not change at the whim of some deity (i. e. writers) simply because they can come up with reasons as to why it wasn't mentioned beforehand. Anyone can do that by the way and it is called "retconning" and it usually shows of sloppy writing and demeaning to the audience. Simply because the lore team states that all of a sudden, Minfilia was a badger this whole time and we couldn't tell because over exposure to the Aether had made us see the whole world differently simply because they thought badgers were cool does not make the story any more plausible or any less of a blatant showing of terrible writing. Now, of course, we're not expecting this to be some Shakesperian tale which is fine. However, crossovers begin to destroy the cornerstone of what makes the story great.

In summation, crossovers have a major problem and that is: it simultaneously ruins both properties if the idea of the characters interacting with each other isn't already implemented in the story. Kingdom Hearts skips this whole thing right from the get go, hell it's on the package. It was not so with 14, and simply throwing a retcon into the situation should not make it acceptable to us as players, it should bother us a bit more.

[Yumi_Hibiki]

nice of you to point out that im losing my cool about this issue like its the default winning condition of the other side, i admit i am very bitter about it since i have to put up with it since XIII launched and it just wont stop so excuse me for being a bit passionate about the whole thing.

i really wonder why you are trying so hard to have the last word/upper hand here, i obviously wasnt talking about this thread in particular, i was talking about the large scale reception we had for the topic which was less then welcoming, and not because of the fact that it was a crossover but who it will be that crosses over

its also funny how i am the one throwing insults around now when you provoked me with a quite unflattering depiction and "future" statements in your very first response without even knowing me, which was quite insulting right from the get go, let alone very far from my opinion on the issue.
not to forget that arrogance dripping:

"I'm sorry, I didn't mean to post so many spoilers. It's just that, I've seen your kind of posts before, and I can predict it's path as sure as I can the sun coming up in the east and setting in the west. LOL "

[SkyeWindbinder]

nice of you to point out that im losing my cool about this issue like its the default winning condition of the other side, i admit i am very bitter about it since i have to put up with it since XIII launched and it just wont stop so excuse me for being a bit passionate about the whole thing.

Well, there's "passion", and then there's "unnecessary rage". It's okay to have the former when talking about a game you like, not so much the latter. FFXIII was never on my top favorite Final Fantasy games list. (I even liked FFVIII more, and that's not n my top list either. lol) Nevertheless, it had an excellent story and the gameplay was extremely well done. However, there were certain aspects about the game i didn't like. On the other hand, that's not what this thread is about, nor is it what the OP was making this thread about. Like I said, you took the discussion into a different direction than where it was supposed to go. Nobody on this thread was criticizing Lightning or FFXIII. And even if they were, so freakin' what? LOL At the end of the day...

It's

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Game.

i really wonder why you are trying so hard to have the last word/upper hand here, i obviously wasnt talking about this thread in particular, i was talking about the large scale reception we had for the topic which was less then welcoming, and not because of the fact that it was a crossover but who it will be that crosses over

Actually, I was responding to a point you made about people who had a concern over this issue flip-flopping and saying it's "okay" if a character they liked were put into ARR instead of Lightning. Not 100% sure if I'm correct here, but I think that's what's called a "base-rate fallacy" argument. I pointed out how silly it was to make such an assumption, especially since the character of Lightning herself is far from what the OP was concerned about.

its also funny how i am the one throwing insults around now when you provoked me with a quite unflattering depiction and "future" statements in your very first response without even knowing me, which was quite insulting right from the get go, let alone very far from my opinion on the issue.

Not too much more insulting than assuming with an arrogant air that the OP and others who aren't crazy about the idea of a cross-over are merely voicing their concern over this issue because they don't like Lightning or FFXIII and wanted a different character in her place. Especially since it was extremely and totally wrong, unfounded, and completely different from anything anyone was talking about. You know, like this post:

glad i could make you feel privileged^^
i hope you enjoy being part of the 10% of the compainers that dont want a crossover at all opposed to the 90% that are just butt devestated because its lightning and not cloud or squall.
a blind man could see that,
just because that is not the case for you personally doesnt make it less true.

Pot: "Hey, kettle!"
Kettle: "Yeah?"
Pot: "You're black, you know that, right?"
Kettle: "Um... so are you."
Pot: "LIES!!"

[Yumi_Hibiki]

Not too much more insulting than assuming with an arrogant air that the OP and others who aren't crazy about the idea of a cross-over are merely voicing their concern over this issue because they don't like Lightning or FFXIII and wanted a different character in her place.

the tiny difference is that i didnt accuse op or anyone in paticular with that statement, it was referring to the people that are only angry because its not a character they liked that are very vocal at the moment, i could have worded it better in hindsight.

lets end this silly internet fight and agree that we both could have handled that better, its not really clear which one of us is the "pot" and which the "kettle"