Let's keep Character Crossovers from other Square-Enix titles out of FFXIV.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Sure, Gilgamesh can jump from Final Fantasy to Final Fantasy without complaints from anyone. But, heaven forbid, if Lightning does it, it causes the obnoxious fans to get uptight.

Indeed. Because anyone who expresses an opinion that's different from yours, whether well-written or stated or not, is someone who's "obnoxious". lol I love troll logic.

I was going to mention Gilgy as well but let's face it. OP probably ran from all Gilgamesh fights.

And why do you say that?

[Rubieus]

And why do you say that?

Figure of speech mostly. Like when someone says they don't like a certain food or a specific game. It's usually because they aren't good at it or have no skill at it. The OP talks about story integrity. As if the developers don't know what they are doing? If it so happens that Cloud/Sephiroth decide to test their might against my spear then let them come. As I said before, it's not the first time Final Fantasy characters have appeared in other games and when doing so, stayed within lore.

[Baldur]

Indeed. Because anyone who expresses an opinion that's different from yours, whether well-written or stated or not, is someone who's "obnoxious". lol I love troll logic.

I was not saying those who have an opinion different from my own are obnoxious. I was saying those who are unnecessarily protective towards the lore and logic of a fictional multiverse are, especially those who have become so in love with their own ideas of the possibilities of said multiverse when they themselves have no involvement with the lore team whatsoever. We as the players have no say in what can and cannot happen in the multiverse our characters live in. It is for Square Enix to decide.

I apologize if I offended you or anyone. That was not my intention. The word was poorly chosen.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Figure of speech mostly. Like when someone says they don't like a certain food or a specific game. It's usually because they aren't good at it or have no skill at it. The OP talks about story integrity. As if the developers don't know what they are doing? If it so happens that Cloud/Sephiroth decide to test their might against my spear then let them come. As I said before, it's not the first time Final Fantasy characters have appeared in other games and when doing so, stayed within lore.

So, because he doesn't necessarily like the fact that a character from another final fantasy game is in this one, that means he's not good at the sections of the game where that sort of thing is happening? Um, I'm curious... how exactly does having a character from another game in this one affect one's skill at handling tha particular part of the game? I mean, seriously, where do you get this logic?

Look, you can talk about what other games have done this sort of thing all you like. But the thing is, that doesn't matter since he's not talking about whether or not the lore "works" or "can be done skillfully" when it pulls this sort of thing, The OP is talking about the integrity of the game itself, not the lore. And to be honest, I wasn't too crazy about parts in other FF games that did do this sort of thing. And the reason for that is practically mirrored by the OP's on reasons. He's simply stating his opinion about what doing this sort of thing could do for the integrity of the game itself. Whether you agree or not does not take away or really add to the weight of his particular stance on this subject. Nor does it have anything to do with one's "skill" at playing the game. (Seriously, where did you pull that one out of? lol)

I am not saying those who have an opinion different from my own are obnoxious. I am saying those who are unnecessarily protective towards the lore and logic of a fictional multiverse are, especially those who have become so in love with their own ideas of the possibilities of said multiverse when they themselves have no involvement with the lore team whatsoever.

And who are you to judge whether or not someone is "unnecessarily protective towards the lore and logic" of a game? The OP simply stated his opinion on the subject, and did so in a very reasonable manner. You, on the other hand, came into the thread calling people "obnoxious", most likely because you simply didn't agree with the OP. there are others in the thread who also didn't agree, yet they simply stated their reasons reasonably without name-calling, which is actually very obnoxious. And immature. And it puts a flavor of irony in your post so thick you could cut it with a chainsaw.

Edit: It was nice that you had the courtesy to apologize, that much I can give you credit for.

[Baldur]

And who are you to judge whether or not someone is "unnecessarily protective towards the lore and logic" of a game? The OP simply stated his opinion on the subject, and did so in a very reasonable manner. You, on the other hand, came into the thread calling people "obnoxious", most likely because you simply didn't agree with the OP. there are others in the thread who also didn't agree, yet they simply stated their reasons reasonably without name-calling, which is actually very obnoxious. And immature. And it puts a flavor of irony in your post so thick you could cut it with a chainsaw.

Please read my last post again. I have already apologized for using that word. I still stand by everything else I said though, and I do not wish to argue with you about it.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Please read my post again. I have already apologized for using that word. I still stand by everything else I said though, and I do not want to argue with you about it.

Read my edit. And for the record, I don't really want to argue the point myself. We all have our opinions on the subject. And we all express them. As we should.

[Rubieus]

So, because he doesn't necessarily like the fact that a character from another final fantasy game is in this one, that means he's not good at the sections of the game where that sort of thing is happening? Um, I'm curious... how exactly does having a character from another game in this one affect one's skill at handling tha particular part of the game? I mean, seriously, where do you get this logic?

Look, you can talk about what other games have done this sort of thing all you like. But the thing is, that doesn't matter since he's not talking about whether or not the lore "works" or "can be done skillfully" when it pulls this sort of thing, The OP is talking about the integrity of the game itself, not the lore. And to be honest, I wasn't too crazy about parts in other FF games that did do this sort of thing. And the reason for that is practically mirrored by the OP's on reasons. He's simply stating his opinion about what doing this sort of thing could do for the integrity of the game itself. Whether you agree or not does not take away or really add to the weight of his particular stance on this subject. Nor does it have anything to do with one's "skill" at playing the game. (Seriously, where did you pull that one out of? lol).

What his opinions about this game or any other game were never relevant. If the OP stopped for even a moment and read his/her post at least a minimum of three times, not four, not two. But three. Once is not enough and five is far too much. The correct number would have been thrice. After doing so, he/she like others who post "opinions" about matters such as this are nothing more than wasted time and energy. I believe the coined term is. In vain. What good does it do for anyone to complain about something that has already been clearly stated as absolute? He/she makes a mockery of what the game truly stands for by making claims about what it "should" stand for. The reason why I don't make threads about why the Garlean's have gunblades and I don't is because the point is moot. The devs will release it when they do. Guess what? Nothing I do or say will change how and what they do with it. Why? Because I don't work for SE and my humble opinion is worth less than Gath's gil.

TL;DR This isn't your toy, you are borrowing someone else's. If they want to make all the girls show panty flash or introduce rainbow ponies that fire lazers. Then that's what happens. If they want to introduce old or new characters from previous games. That's something they get to do. Why? Because it's their game. Don't like it? Go make your own.

[SkyeWindbinder]

What his opinions about this game or any other game were never relevant. If the OP stopped for even a moment and read his/her post at least a minimum of three times, not four, not two. But three. Once is not enough and five is far too much. The correct number would have been thrice. After doing so, he/she like others who post "opinions" about matters such as this are nothing more than wasted time and energy. I believe the coined term is. In vain. What good does it do for anyone to complain about something that has already been clearly stated as absolute? He/she makes a mockery of what the game truly stands for by making claims about what it "should" stand for. The reason why I don't make threads about why the Garlean's have gunblades and I don't is because the point is moot. The devs will release it when they do. Guess what? Nothing I do or say will change how and what they do with it. Why? Because I don't work for SE and my humble opinion is worth less than Gath's gil.

TL;DR This isn't your toy, you are borrowing someone else's. If they want to make all the girls show panty flash or introduce rainbow ponies that fire lazers. Then that's what happens. If they want to introduce old or new characters from previous games. That's something they get to do. Why? Because it's their game. Don't like it? Go make your own.

Once again, you think way too highly of your own views on the subject, which is quite ironic considering what you are trying to say. in the end, this is a game forum. We, as gamers, are supposed to come on these forums and post our opinions about the games we are playing. That is why this forum exists. And no, your opinion about whether or not he should bother posting his opinion does not matter. In fact, it way more irrelevant than the OP's post, since he's doing what the forums are made for (posting your opinion about the game) while you're simply doing what many people have tried and, like you, miserably failed to do: Play forum overlord.

And really, it's not like the OP or anyone else is posting the same thread on this subject over and over (This being the first and only I've seen on the subject). So really, the only real reason you could possibly have for objecting to the post itself is that you simply don't agree with the OP. But that still doesn't take anything away from his opinion or, as you strangely and hilariously implied, show that he lacks skill in playing any part of the game. (Seriously, what the heck kind of logic is that anyway?)

And simply stating that there's no point in posting your opinion about something in the game because they're going to put it in the game anyway is a defeatist and submissive attitude to have, and one that helped shape many of the travesties that bloated 1.0. As I said before, that's what the forums are for. Stating your opinion on the game. And believe it or not, Devs do read forums. Sometimes they take advice and requests from players. More often they don't. Nevertheless, they value the opinion of players. So really, the OP's post is way more significant than yours, if you think about it.

TLDR: The OP has every right to express his opinion, especially on a forum made by the people who made the game encouraging gamers to do just that. Your opinion about whether or not anyone should doesn't mean squat, because his post will be respected much more than yours, as you're simply trying to play forum director, and doing a bad job at it. Don't like it? Stop reading the forums. Because this sort of thing will happen a lot.

[REDace0]

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tl;dr Expressing opinions is a pointless waste of time unless it changes someone else's behavior. Opinions have no value or merit in themselves, and nothing can be gained by expressing them clearly and discussing them. Thanks for clearing that up!

[PSxpert2011]

porom and palom(FFIV)

Expect them somewhere in 14... it should be obvious who they are but not going to say =P