Yoshi-p says: "Button pressing is stressful." ....

[strallaalaa]

i'm sorry but nothing beat fishing in ffxi, i've yet to see a mmo where there is 20-100 players in every lake, river, pond and sea fishing together. the chat log filled with people joking and laughing together while they fished. while during that time they didn't implement the tug and press thing in ffxi it was a great feeling fishing around people. yoshi is trying to create some kinda useless thing out of fishing cause of stress? that is bullshit, then they would of done the same for all gathering. doing it for the rmt? like he said they will find a way, remove it's worth in doing it? then you just removed the reason any one would fish in a mmo and chat and relax in the first place. the reason people were all gathered together are simple, it was worth fishing in ffxi so they did it, it was worth standing around chatting even if you didn't fish cause you can sell your fish pastes and lures to people while crafting too. they are removing all good, fun aspects of gathering for bad reasons. and then there next mmo they will remove it completly. why you ask? cause yoshi will be like, well no one was enjoying it so we took it out. no no they stoped enjoying it cause your trying to force feed your bullshit to us. but hey maybe getting quests from it will be good ...when they add it, if it's worth it. maybe it will drive tons of people to fish together in the same waters together. i know in ffxiv it was usually empty zones or botters only. it was bad knowing that there was a bot not even paying attention while you fished your ass off. that is the only part that is not relaxing of it that all your fish are worthless ....but making them totally worthless ain't gonna make it any funner. i would love to have those days of fishing around 100's in windhurst and sandoria all day long, or in rabao, and yeah probably was cause the gil thing, i didn't know about it back then cause was my first mmo and i was a noob but lol, it was a great experience. fishing and filling up my bazaar with pastes to sell at the same time, talking to people i never met b4 for hours. good times they aren't implementing correctly for it too happen. your just making it less stressful for the botters to know when to get up and leave when the one dude fishing without a bot pulls up to an empty lake to talk to him lol.

[GinTama]

"We’re going to make sure that the stuff you get from fishing is not stuff that is going to be lucrative for RMT. The system needs to be relaxing."

I am more worried about this than simplifying the mechanics, why would Yoshi do this? Be cause of RMT? That makes no sense. If its not worth to fish for RMT its normally not worth for normal players either. Its a gathering class god damnit, why the hell did i spent so much time leveling up my fisher to 50? this is unacceptable.

[Huh]

"We’re going to make sure that the stuff you get from fishing is not stuff that is going to be lucrative for RMT. The system needs to be relaxing."

I am more worried about this than simplifying the mechanics, why would Yoshi do this? Be cause of RMT? That makes no sense. If its not worth to fish for RMT its normally not worth for normal players either. Its a gathering class god damnit, why the hell did i spent so much time leveling up my fisher to 50? this is unacceptable.

Yeah and what sucks is there is no need to devalue the class for RMT sake. I've seen tons of anti-RMT practices in other MMOs that don't impose on regular players. For example, Captchas. Have an NPC run up to you and hand you a scroll to read at random intervals. If you type it in wrong or take too long you get booted to the lobby. Infuse it with the lore of the world or give it a tiny exp reward for each correct input and it won't just seem like an annoying RMT pop up. Obviously thats just one little example. We have an entire team of developers. They have to be able to think of something other than making fish worthless.

[Solace]

/yawn..
I'm bored, this is boring, you're boring zoidberg..
Speculate speculate speculate..
And while you're at it, you should try speculating some more.

No one else is totally appalled by this? Taking the class and completely devaluing it, making it useless after countless hours of hard work and commitment into something ?

You're speculating and bashing..

Yeah and what sucks is there is no need to devalue the class for RMT sake.They have to be able to think of something other than making fish worthless.

You keep saying things like "devalue" and "make it worthless" but that is an opinion.
To a lot of people the new system might be great.

I guess it's too much to ask, to get even the most basic idea of how it will really be, before we start saying it is garbage..

[Murugan]

Yeah and what sucks is there is no need to devalue the class for RMT sake. I've seen tons of anti-RMT practices in other MMOs that don't impose on regular players. For example, Captchas. Have an NPC run up to you and hand you a scroll to read at random intervals. If you type it in wrong or take too long you get booted to the lobby. Infuse it with the lore of the world or give it a tiny exp reward for each correct input and it won't just seem like an annoying RMT pop up. Obviously thats just one little example. We have an entire team of developers. They have to be able to think of something other than making fish worthless.

I hate captcha's.

Honestly SE's captcha is pretty awful, the last time it came up during beta I took a fifteen minute break rather than do the entire routine of Username/Password/Security token/captcha x4 because I can't tell if that is a letter or a squiggly line since all the letters are warped to look like squiggly lines and they actually have lower case l's in their captcha (ridiculous, is it a line or a lowercase l, well a lowercase l is a line... /ragequit). Can we please not have captcha's actually in the game?

Because you know it can't be text or bots will be able to read it, it has to be annoying in order to prove we are human.

[Huh]

/yawn..
I'm bored, this is boring, you're boring zoidberg..
Speculate speculate speculate..
And while you're at it, you should try speculating some more.



You're speculating and bashing..



You keep saying things like "devalue" and "make it worthless" but that is an opinion.
To a lot of people the new system might be great.

I guess it's too much to ask, to get even the most basic idea of how it will really be, before we start saying it is garbage..

This was information that was given to us. When I say 'making fish worthless', I'm referencing the point in the interview where he states that fishing wont be profitable because it's no longer about making money it's a class for achievements, etc.
You ignore the information that's been clearly given to us and can't seem to connect the dots that have been tossed at you just because you haven't played it. I am stating my opinion on the information that we have because that's all we have to go on.
These are ideas expressed by Yoshi-p which clearly seem in a different direction than most fishers want. The general lack of information, along with these statements from Yoshi-p, and lack of DEV response here on the forums is cause for concern for me. Sorry that's boring for you, no one asked you to suffer through reading this thread you know?

[Huh]

I hate captcha's.

Honestly SE's captcha is pretty awful, the last time it came up during beta I took a fifteen minute break rather than do the entire routine of Username/Password/Security token/captcha x4 because I can't tell if that is a letter or a squiggly line since all the letters are warped to look like squiggly lines and they actually have lower case l's in their captcha (ridiculous, is it a line or a lowercase l, well a lowercase l is a line... /ragequit). Can we please not have captcha's actually in the game?

Because you know it can't be text or bots will be able to read it, it has to be annoying in order to prove we are human.

I wish I knew more about botting in order to come up with a better example than captchas, I agree they are kinda of annoying. But I think if things are done smoothly and incorporated in a way that seems not like it's taking you out of your game to input some code it could work well. Something that just immerses you further:

You're fishing in a random stream outside Uldah when a little NPC boy comes up to your character. The screen fades to black and cuts to a cutscene. The little boy tells you he can't read and can't seem to make out this text and needs your help. You input a captcha for one of the words. He rewards you by telling you one time he saw someone catch a <rare fish> here at this depth with <bait> and runs off. The screen fades to black again and you're back still with your rod cast ready for the next fish.

This would be something I wouldn't mind because it allows you to get further involved in this world and its characters, doesn't impose on you for more than a few seconds, and could be an interesting way to give some sort of break from the expected to players.

[GinTama]

Anyone who got fisher to 50 has the same right to gather profitable items as the other gathering classes, period. To hell with the achievement thing, thats of no use to me.

[Huh]

So everyone who said I was "speculating" even though the information was clearly in front of us, was the gameplay video enough or can I not express my dislike yet?

[Aldora]

So everyone who said I was "speculating" even though the information was clearly in front of us, was the gameplay video enough or can I not express my dislike yet?

Ow, absolutely. Now that we've seen how fishing has been implemented, feel free to express your dislike.

Personally, from what i've seen from the vid, I have the impression that it works/feels like Botany during the previous phase and to be honest I like it. Now I can go out and easily fish for the fish I need. For example, during the previous phase I tested out both botany and culinarian. I wanted to make Miq'abobs and I needed paprika for it. So, I went and searched where I could farm them. I went to that spot and only farmed paprika's for while. It was really nice not to depend on the random drops.

Sure, with fishing, you got the fish you needed 90% of the time, once you knew the angle and depth. But, this makes it a lot easier and it makes me want to farm more then I did in 1.0.

In short, I don't think this new fishing style renders fishing useless. On the contrary... I want to fish more now.