Yoshi-p says: "Button pressing is stressful." ....

[LlenCoram]

There was time for quick replies but not conversations. My favorite part of fishing is using it as social time in game and still doing a little something at the same time. I like having a rotation of areas to fish in etc. I'm really interested to see what Yoshi-p plans to unfold.

I would have full conversations while fishing. It took a bit of learning the timing, but it was far from difficult. Just ask anyone from my shell, I never shut up.

[Cosette]

I think the main issue that most people are scratching at is that what is the point of achievements when it takes no player skill, outside of what gear/time it is?

In 1.0, while there was some random losses and other things, if I took too long to act or if I jigged in the wrong spot I would lose the fish because of my wrong input.
The way 2.0 version sounds like with no player input achievements won't feel like anything but a time sink. "I stood here for 4 hours with the right gear and eventually caught the rare fish I wanted."
I want player skill to actually have something to do with my catches, not luck based on how long you stand somewhere. Not saying 1.0 was great, but at least it made me feel like I acted at the right times and jigged in the right places to catch this fish!

I just can't comprehend why fishing needs to be the class that needs no player skill or the class you play that you can benefit from while you go AFK, or "chat".
Make a sitting class for that, don't destroy an already established class.

From reading your side on fishing, I understand your perspective. I think that fishing should have choices between active or 'afk' type modes. Like when you are standing there ready to fish - you have an option to "Just wait and See" (basically afk/social chat mode). This mode does not lead to as great of rewards or perhaps special fish and requires active input. I agree that you should NOT be well rewarded for having ability to afk.

[Cosette]

I would have full conversations while fishing. It took a bit of learning the timing, but it was far from difficult. Just ask anyone from my shell, I never shut up.

I also had to learn around it but I often had to backspace.

[Mjollnir]

From reading your side on fishing, I understand your perspective. I think that fishing should have choices between active or 'afk' type modes. Like when you are standing there ready to fish - you have an option to "Just wait and See" (basically afk/social chat mode). This mode does not lead to as great of rewards or perhaps special fish and requires active input. I agree that you should NOT be well rewarded for having ability to afk.

If only fishing was done through our retainers! j/k j/k

[Cosette]

To add:

If I think of it this way in my mind. Fishing now = equivalent of 'Go mining' and your character runs around and mines with no player input and the ability for achieves and awards then it sure doesn't sound good.

Edit: lol yes I can change my views with more thought. :P

[Efrye]

Because of how easy fishing seems to be, it'll be easy to bot as well. That means that whatever small corner of the market fishers could control will instead be controlled by the bots.

I don't think that's the real problem. Yoshi made it very clear that fishing will not be lucrative for RMT in the first place. That means the possible income from fishing is either zero or at least significantly smaller than the income from other classes. It won't be a viable method for earning money anymore, regardless of botters.

In fact, I'd wager that the "bot" will already be implemented in the game. If he wants people to chat while fishing, then there shouldn't be any key prompts in-between bites. How would it be different from the old system if you actually have to press enter after every catch?

I also had to learn around it but I often had to backspace.

You do know that pressing Esc would save everything you wrote, right? ^^'
I had no trouble at all typing while fishing. If I was in the middle of a sentence and got a bite, I just canceled the message, reeled it in, then clicked the chat window again and pressed the up arrow to get back to what I wrote. Granted, my replies came a few seconds delayed sometimes and I was definitely fishing slower when I was in a conversation at the same time. But this is still supposed to be a game. It should still be necessary to interact with it in order to achieve something.

[HiirNoivl]

Because of how easy fishing seems to be, it'll be easy to bot as well. That means that whatever small corner of the market fishers could control will instead be controlled by the bots.

No he's driving the bots out of fishing. See now you're being silly. If they can't make money selling gil off fishing they won't do it. Now you tell me how this somehow makes fish less valuable. If there are no bots in the market competing with your fish?

This discussion has gone from geniune concern to hyperventilating. They've provided lots of information to show that effort will be required if you're going to achieve something with fishing. However, just because you are 50 fisher doesn't mean you're going to have to fill your box with 99 stacks of 99 baitballs just to fish. It won't be required. Anyone with a rod can cast a line. They can take that fish to market, they can craft with it. Or they can really go hard at it and get some achievements.

Do you not realized that achievements in the game, particularly in this game, don't come without rewards? There are luminary rods and titles at the beginning sure, but there can be other rods and fish related gear like, I dunno, the AF in the official artwork maybe? You have to catch bait to bait other fish at higher tiers. Filling your log will probably be like in hunting and gather log where you have to fill it before you move on to another area. There's a GC hunting log, there will probably be a GC gathering log for Fishing. You will have to put some effort into filling it.

I wish the devs will just lock this thread for all the unreasonableness being exuded. You want a minigame, but you're not getting it. There will be actions if you want to use them for achievements or you can fish casually. Fish will not be valuable to RMT but you can use them. Crystals are got from gathering now, not from fish.

[LlenCoram]

No he's driving the bots out of fishing. See now you're being silly. If they can't make money selling gil off fishing they won't do it. Now you tell me how this somehow makes fish less valuable. If there are no bots in the market competing with your fish?

This discussion has gone from geniune concern to hyperventilating. They've provided lots of information to show that effort will be required if you're going to achieve something with fishing. However, just because you are 50 fisher doesn't mean you're going to have to fill your box with 99 stacks of 99 baitballs just to fish. It won't be required. Anyone with a rod can cast a line. They can take that fish to market, they can craft with it. Or they can really go hard at it and get some achievements.

Do you not realized that achievements in the game, particularly in this game, don't come without rewards? There are luminary rods and titles at the beginning sure, but there can be other rods and fish related gear like, I dunno, the AF in the official artwork maybe? You have to catch bait to bait other fish at higher tiers. Filling your log will probably be like in hunting and gather log where you have to fill it before you move on to another area. There's a GC hunting log, there will probably be a GC gathering log for Fishing. You will have to put some effort into filling it.

I wish the devs will just lock this thread for all the unreasonableness being exuded. You want a minigame, but you're not getting it. There will be actions if you want to use them for achievements or you can fish casually. Fish will not be valuable to RMT but you can use them. Crystals are got from gathering now, not from fish.

If you actually think this small measure will entirely remove botting from fishing, then you're delusional. Let's go over the basics:
- Idea: There will be no money to be had by selling fish. Fine, bots won't touch it.
- But: There will be recipes that require certain fish for different crafting. This creates demand.
- Demand, however small, means there's money to be made.
- Therefore: If there's money to be made, you can be damned sure there will be bots.

It doesn't matter if it's a small amount of money because RMT and bots don't care. They'll do the work, sell the few fish that are worth something, and corner the market. And for the last time, no, there will be no actions. Yoshi has stated it three separate times now.

There will be no abilities to use while fishing.

[Denmo]

I don't think anyone wants to see Fishing go down the toilet.

That said, we can only speculate till more details are provided.



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I feel deja vu.

"Nobody wants to see ______ go down the toilet in FFXIV. That said, we can only speculate until more details are provided" </the past 2 years>

[SkyeWindbinder]

"Nobody wants to see ______ go down the toilet in FFXIV. That said, we can only speculate until more details are provided" </the past 2 years>

A. Leveling
B. Socializing
C. Grass
D. Voice acting
E. The story
F. All of the above

lol It is a never ending story, isn't it?