CG Midlander

[Anonymoose]

Was it brought up how the concept art of the jobs on that job "wheel" are mostly characters from the Opening Cinematic/End of An Era?

A good amount of the concept art going all the way back to pre-release has featured these party members. It seems go to the other way, that the members of the CG party are based on some of the concept art stock characters. Here's the Call Me Maybe Lalafell back when the Armory System was first announced.

Was there confirmation that this advertised party was the Heroes of Light?

Technically all adventurers are the Warriors of Light from their own perspective. These party members seem to represent us, which is why we've never heard of any of them having names. They're on the same path we are, but in their own way.

But that still leaves one question—was the party an actual party, or were they merely symbols meant to represent you, the players? Well, you can breathe easy knowing they are both. They all ventured into Eorzea at the same time as you did. They all did similar quests, and lived through similar adventures. They exist as your characters exist (in a virtual world-sort of existence). The fact that you haven’t come across them is probably the same reason you haven’t come across my character, Amanda Hugginkyss (or maybe you have? /wink). They’re just somewhere else. Though, maybe you’ll stumble across their party in the future. Or maybe you won’t. How’s that for committing to an answer?

[Jacien]

Well, the "original" Heroes of Light at the Battle of Cartenau, y'know?

I'd like to see them as actual characters rather than a flip-floppy metaphor.

[Xeia]

Well, the "original" Heroes of Light at the Battle of Cartenau, y'know?

I'd like to see them as actual characters rather than a flip-floppy metaphor.

Why? One of my biggest frustrations with version one right up until the shutdown was the uselessness that was forced on my character in almost every cutscene. Every time something cinematic happened I was forced to stand there and watch my NPC allies be cut down while my character just gasped and staggered about until the CS ended and I could finally kick some ass.

It would be the ultimate insult to be now told that this special CG party were the "original" Warriors of Light and that they were somehow more relevant to the events which took place than the rest of the players. I'm sick of being sidelined.

Those people are other adventurers -- they're not showing your character because there are just too many players. So they made up a handful of adventurers to follow that could represent all of us. They're each one of us. We're each one of them. It's not flip-floppy, it just doesn't have your face plastered all over it.

[Jacien]

I think you got a bit upset there.

Ultimately, I'd like to see them as actual characters, probably doing their own thing. Not saying that they take credit for everything, but there's been a good amount of thought and background put into them. Hell, this is what this thread was originally made about.

And I hope 2.0's Legacy intro quest will at least explain whether or not our Legacy characters were actually at Cartenau Flats instead of in Mor Dhona preventing reinforcements from joining the front lines.

[Duuude007]

And I hope 2.0's Legacy intro quest will at least explain whether or not our Legacy characters were actually at Cartenau Flats instead of in Mor Dhona preventing reinforcements from joining the front lines.

Technically it is an area with the same discolored terrain, but southwest of accessable Mor Dhona. In all likelihood, it is still considered part of that region, as I have pointed out before, the crashed airship (in the ravine west of the "Don't harm the messenger" quest) is probably in the same general area.

[Skies]

Ultimately, I'd like to see them as actual characters, probably doing their own thing. Not saying that they take credit for everything, but there's been a good amount of thought and background put into them. Hell, this is what this thread was originally made about.

Ferne himself has said it, those characters are... Just another group of players! That is basically their stance on them. Not being able to depict every player at once, they picked just one random group of them to put in that place. They're not so much surrogates for the player, but they are players like us.

[Jacien]

Actually it's more like they're both.

But that still leaves one question—was the party an actual party, or were they merely symbols meant to represent you, the players? Well, you can breathe easy knowing they are both. They all ventured into Eorzea at the same time as you did. They all did similar quests, and lived through similar adventures. They exist as your characters exist (in a virtual world-sort of existence). The fact that you haven’t come across them is probably the same reason you haven’t come across my character, Amanda Hugginkyss (or maybe you have? /wink). They’re just somewhere else. Though, maybe you’ll stumble across their party in the future. Or maybe you won’t. How’s that for committing to an answer?

Bolded part is what I'm looking forward to as a possibility.

It'd be neat. For promotional material they'd be just symbols, but ingame they could be actual characters doing their own thing apart from our quests.

[Ramesses]

Actually it's more like they're both.



Bolded part is what I'm looking forward to as a possibility.

It'd be neat. For promotional material they'd be just symbols, but ingame they could be actual characters doing their own thing apart from our quests.

Yeah, same here and I agree... there was an awesome thread about this sometime last November where many of us expressed a suggestion to meet the "Warriors of Light" in-game. And like I said then, I'm still seriously wondering where the Elezen male is... because like everyone, I actually love seeing this party together in the CGs (and the lore regarding ARR won't be the same without us knowing what happened to him).

I still speculate that he decided one of the following paths:

• Hiked into the wilderness of destroyed Ala Migho to train in becoming a Monk (this option has now been elimiated after we saw the new promotional artwork showing a female Monk)
• Travels to Limsa and becomes a dual welding Musketeer
• Wandered off to Sharlayan to become a Samurai or Ninja (he DID have a chill, cunning air about him in the original 1.0 CG).
• He hiked it to Ishgard to train with the knights and became a become Dragoon (which is becoming more and more the likely possibility... new promo art looks like him innit? Plus, it also opens up several awesome opportunities for us to quest with "the party" in Ishgard)

Darn it... wish I could find that thread. But the general consensus was that the last option seemed most plausible...kinda fits very well with their tale, the DRG AF storyline plus it will likely explain why he was not at the final battle.

Wish we had a PM system on here... woulda liked to ask Anonymoose Or Catapalt if they had some thought on this.

[NoloeTazier]

Yeah, same here and I agree... there was an awesome thread about this sometime last November where many of us expressed a suggestion to meet the "Warriors of Light" in-game. And like I said then, I'm still seriously wondering where the Elezen male is... because like everyone, I actually love seeing this party together in the CGs (and the lore regarding ARR won't be the same without us knowing what happened to him).

I still speculate that he decided one of the following paths:

• Hiked into the wilderness of destroyed Ala Migho to train in becoming a Monk (this option has now been elimiated after we saw the new promotional artwork showing a female Monk)
• Travels to Limsa and becomes a dual welding Musketeer
• Wandered off to Sharlayan to become a Samurai or Ninja (he DID have a chill, cunning air about him in the original 1.0 CG).
• He hiked it to Ishgard to train with the knights and became a become Dragoon (which is becoming more and more the likely possibility... new promo art looks like him innit? Plus, it also opens up several awesome opportunities for us to quest with "the party" in Ishgard)

Darn it... wish I could find that thread. But the general consensus was that the last option seemed most plausible...kinda fits very well with their tale, the DRG AF storyline plus it will likely explain why he was not at the final battle.

Wish we had a PM system on here... woulda liked to ask Anonymoose Or Catapalt if they had some thought on this.

I remember a response by Ferne but I don't remember the male Elezen being mentioned. Just the CG Midlander, the male Roeg, female Miqo'te, female Lalafell, and female Elezen. The only speculation we really have for him is that he knows what the Echo is and probably has it himself as he asks the Midlander "return from your reverie?" or something along those lines.

I'm not sure he could become a Dragoon, because we become a Dragoon and recover the Dragoon AF that was put there by Ser Alberic after the Eye of Nidohogg acknowledges us, but I mean I guess it's possible for this to happen to him as well after all he's essentially an Adventurer like us. Also the Dragoon art isn't an Elezen, there's no ears sticking out:

As for the other speculations...as far as we know Widargelt is the only Monk left from Ala Mhigo. Erik tells us that the Ala Mhigan King Theodoric destroyed the Fists of Rhalgr, PROBABLY influenced by Gaius van Baelsar or Garlean spies, after all we're told that Ala Mhigo fell with little resistance and bloodshed because of the Garleans inciting unrest in the populous. So they probably go hand-in-hand.

Samurai and Ninja will probably come from the "east," a.k.a. Othard so Sharlayan is probably out of the question.

Dual wielding Musketeer, lol maybe.

But now that you bring up the topic, it would be nice if we can learn where the Male Elezen is as we learn about the CG Midlander and troop.

[Anonymoose]

I don't remember the male Elezen being mentioned. <snip> Erik tells us that the Ala Mhigan King Theodoric destroyed the Fists of Rhalgr, PROBABLY influenced by Gaius van Baelsar or Garlean spies

The male elezen was reported as leaving the group we see in End of an Era / A New Beginning, though no reason was given. Perhaps he'll show back up someday.

As for Ala Mhigo's political troubles, it's hard to say. The final fall of Ala Mhigo was surely due to Legatus Baelsar's manipulations, but did he create the entire conflict or simply add fuel to an already existing fire? The destruction of the Monks and tyrannical behavior by Theodoric took place around 1552, five years before they actually took the city. Did Gaius capitalize on an already bad situation, or was the Emperor totally fine with sitting around for five years after declaring it open season on Aldenard just to fell the first city? This remains unanswered, as far as I know.