The whole Legacy debate wrapped up.

[Shougun]

SE gave plenty of warning about the program's conclusion. They stated more than a month in advance abotu the end of being able to buy 90 day subscription periods, and multiple months in advance of the last possible days to subscribe to get legacy. As far as I'm concerned they give people every opportunity to sign up and gave plenty of advance notice.

Either you missed the context or we can agree to go back and forth on this forever - because I will (I'm pretty sure we have in other threads too.. lol).

SE lodestone what people saw from the outside world (if they werent already apart of the network) would have no idea that they couldnt get legacy until they joined and were told no.

Not everyone checks the forums. The lodestone main page that was held on the left THE ONLY page that was held on the left, never had when it was going to close but beta. "Will be available till beta start".

That page, THE ONLY page, that was stickied to the left was never updated until it was too late for these people who came in.

Again. THE ONLY PAGE stickied never had the proper information until it was too late.

I dont care there was little notes that hit the website and then left because of new information slipped it down. If you sticky a tab you put all the information in there, not expect players to think there is information else where.

Now if you were a part of the network and saw the many posts in the forums then.. yeah well you probably should have listened to the Reps when they said "last chance to sign up for 90 days and be sure to get it".

[Titans]

SE gave plenty of warning about the program's conclusion. They stated more than a month in advance abotu the end of being able to buy 90 day subscription periods, and multiple months in advance of the last possible days to subscribe to get legacy. As far as I'm concerned they give people every opportunity to sign up and gave plenty of advance notice.

You're the only person here who seems to see the alleged fuel and fire. This thread has been conducted in a fairly reasonable manner with a very low level of hostility. And if what you say is true, then there isn't really an issue in the first place because that would mean that not very many non-legacy players are actually complaining about it.

What I see is simply a more or less reasonable discussion with you criticizing the participants for the mere act of participating.

Nah, I have no reason to define my legacy status or any reason to rub it in. I grew up many years ago. But I'm not here to debate with you. You choose to target me thinking I was non legacy. Now you have to try another approach. No sir you can have it. Good day.

[fusional]

either you missed the context or we can agree to go back and forth on this forever - because I will.

SE lodestone what people saw from the outside world (if they werent already apart of the network) would have no idea that they couldnt get legacy until they joined and were told no.

Not everyone checks the forums. The lodestone main page that was held on the left THE ONLY page that was held on the left, never had when it was going to close but beta. "Will be available till beta start".

That page, THE ONLY page, that was stickied to the left never was updated until it was too late for these people who came in.

Again. THE ONLY PAGE stickied never had the proper information until it was too late.

I dont care there was little notes that hit the website and then left because of new information. If you sticky a tab you put all the information in there, not expect players to think there is information else where.

Now if you were a part of the network and saw the many posts in the forums then.. yeah well you probably should have listened to the Reps when they said "last chance to sign up for 90 days and be sure to get it".

okay, now be objective and put that into context. you have a game that was a critical failure, which most people who ever played quit early on and never looked back, and they're trying to reboot it from the ground up- something no company has ever done before with a failed MMO.

the focus is clearly on throwing time, effort, money and advertising at the new product to come, as that would net the best results for your dollar. and since the 1.0 client was already a failure, why waste money advertising a sinking ship? that's idiotic. they knew this. so they didn't bother.

however, a bunch of people either stuck it out and supported that sinking ship to the bitter end, or at the very least kept checking up on it every so often to see what was new, whether to see if the 1.0 client got better or just to keep tabs on the 2.0 client. the company wanted to reward these people for their loyalty and support.

so legacy is imagined up, and advertised on the site where either people currently supporting or simply following along will plainly see it. no advertising dollars are spent. any mention outside of the site is word of mouth.

if people weren't actively supporting the game, weren't following along, or didn't hop on board in time to get legacy- ONCE AGAIN, how is this rationally the fault of the company? how are those people owed anything? it sucks they didn't get it but the onus is on them, whether they were ignorant of the promotion or not. whether they found out about it just a bit too late or not.

people need to drop this ridiculous entitlement. who knew it was so hard to look at things reasonably?

tl;dr sucks dudes, but not square's fault. all the tears in the world will not make it their fault. see you in 2.0. /end

[Shougun]

tl;dr sucks dudes, but not square's fault. all the tears in the world will not make it their fault. see you in 2.0. /end

SE should have been aware when they where going to take down their servers and stop payment and then immediately update that on the main Legacy page.

I never mentioned they need to advertise to the world, that is someone else.

I said they had an advertisement that was misleading. (Yes misleading, because it looked available even though it wasnt and if people came in with that in mind they were mislead because SE didnt bother to update their own page - well until it was too late for it to mater for some of those people).

"Available till start of beta" later that became available before the start of alpha, sort of.

[fusional]

i just seriously don't get it.

i didn't look at newegg's site when they were doing a promotion, now i'm mad i missed it. even though i could've signed up for their mailing list A LONG TIME AGO- i never bothered. i could've kept tabs on their site, but didn't. and by the time i found out it was just a bit too late. and somehow it's THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO LET ME KNOW about this promotion and by god now that i've missed it i'm gonna raise hell. it's all their fault, and they owe me that promotion!

reeeeeeeeeer

SE should have been aware when they where going to take down their servers and stop payment and then immediately update that on the main Legacy page.

that's assuming square knew long before subs went live that they were going to offer a legacy campaign, and/or assuming they had everything in place to implement said legacy campaign within a reasonable timeframe after subs going live.

which is patently ridiculous considering only a barebones crew was left working on 1.0 and they were pretty much just flying by the seat of their pants on this stuff until servers went down.

but, you know- keep having unreasonable expectations of a company and game in an outstanding position

as far as servers going down and rescinding payment- plenty of notice was given about that. and no matter how much you try to claim notice wasn't properly given, it won't change the reality that it was. reading is fundamental.

I said they had an advertisement that was misleading. (Yes misleading, because it looked available even though it wasnt and if people came in with that in mind they were mislead because SE didnt bother to update their own page - well until it was too late for it to mater for some of those people).

misleading because people have such potent ADHD they can't read and process few lines of text? ok. and that's the fault of the company?

"Available till start of beta" later that became available before the start of alpha, sort of.

whats is fine print precious?

what kind of reasonable human would just read a simple "available til blah blah" header without clicking and reading/researching more deeply? if people just read a tagline and go, "ha ha, neato, i'm in!" and just blindly assume that's all it takes, again- how is this the fault of the company which provides the literature for them to read so they can know whether or not they can qualify?

if you argue it's square's fault, then you argue square should hire employees that make door to door visits to every person who read the site, explaining to them in person with notarized documents how the legacy campaign works.

because, you know. then the people don't actually have to read or really do anything for themselves. because that seems to be the problem. when you leave it up to people to be proactive, and they're not (or they're simply not proactive enough)... then somehow the company is at fault?

get out of here.

[Shougun]

i just seriously don't get it.

i didn't look at newegg's site when they were doing a promotion, now i'm mad i missed it. even though i could've signed up for their mailing list A LONG TIME AGO- i never bothered. i could've kept tabs on their site, but didn't. and by the time i found out it was just a bit too late. and somehow it's THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO LET ME KNOW about this promotion and by god now that i've missed it i'm gonna raise hell. it's all their fault, and they owe me that promotion!

reeeeeeeeeer

You are mixing concepts up, greatly.

This wasnt a promotion that said "available till the 5th"

Its the 6th and now I'm mad because they wont give it to me.

They didnt update their end date until it was too late for these people and that end date hadnt even come yet.

What it is more like is

"ends on the 5th"

I come in at the 4th and they wont give it to me.

[seuki]

Seriously? A clothing store at my local mall had a sale last week and i got 20% off a sweater. Would you like to write to every local newspaper in my area about how nobody knocked on your door to tell you about this offer just because you happen to like my sweater also?

SE is not your mother. They advertised to their entire listed customer base in several emails it was in every SE newsletter which you could subscribe to even if not part of FFXIV it was on their homepage. Their job is not to hand feed you something you only cared about retroactively. They took reasonable measures so that anyone interested in their product would see about a promotion.

Did you think I was serious when I said SE should've let people, who don't even own computers, know about the legacy campaign?

[fusional]

"ends on the 5th"

and yet again you conveniently leave out all the text underneath that explaining exactly how it all worked. so yet again because people have such potent ADHD that they can't read beyond the initial tagline, you blame the company.

you live in a strange and frightening alternate reality.

i can't post in this thread anymore. people are too irrational.

[Shougun]

and yet again you conveniently leave out all the text underneath that explaining exactly how it all worked. so yet again because people have such potent ADHD that they can't read beyond the initial tagline, you blame the company.

you live in a strange and frightening alternate reality.

i can't post in this thread anymore. people are too irrational.

The amount of radical aggressive text you seethe is amazing.

I conveniently left out nothing. If you read the original Legacy Stickied page it goes in depth what Legacy is and how to get it - then one month before servers close they update it to say when servers close (and thus when the true end date is). That means people who joined a month or a little less then two months got cut.

Yes they could have found it on the forums, but why would they - you are the one that lives in a frightening alternate reality where people expect companies to parse their information out in multiple directions. I will maintain in the reality where I expect a professional company to deliver their information in concise cohesive means.

[Titans]

and yet again you conveniently leave out all the text underneath that explaining exactly how it all worked. so yet again because people have such potent ADHD that they can't read beyond the initial tagline, you blame the company.

you live in a strange and frightening alternate reality.

i can't post in this thread anymore. people are too irrational.

When SE first announce legacy they never announce a cut off date. You didn't find out about last data save until October. So most thought they had twelve months rather than the 10. Not everyone has time to troll fantasy forums do to they may actually have life in the real world. Unlike yourself. So let's say that someone return in September. You don't find out until October that the next month month is free, so now they are disappointed. I can understand why.