Devs: Do you have plans to reset the forums in the future?

[Alerith]

Though no one has yet answered my response to the "No" that keeps getting thrown out there. What would it hurt? How would it in any way effect the players negatively? I partially explained how it is a win-win at the current time and no resistance but people ignoring the statement altogether. Titans understands just wish the rest of the community could too. We are giving their game a second chance, they can give all their fans one as well.

Then allow me to respond directly.

Many of us don't want to deal with the idiots that got banned. They got banned for a reason, and it's likely that they are not people we want to interact with in the first place. It's not a "win-win" because the banners roam free and we have to deal with their stupidity once again. Who does it negatively impact? Those of us who have to deal with them when they're free.

Yes. SE is remaking their game and the forums are getting an overhaul. That does not make people who got banned any less stupid for doing whatever action they did to get banned.

Furthermore, and possibly to a lesser extent, it negates the impact of punishment to begin with. These people got "permanently" banned. If they were suddenly released on a second chance, a lot of good "permanent" bans do. What's next? Big Jimmy can choose to ignore the rules, knowing he'll get his ban lifted again at some point? Hell, why not just unban everyone at milestones in the games life. New expansion! Release the bans! Starlight Festival! Release the bans! You're messing with the integrity of the punishment by doing this.

Also, just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we don't understand. That's a weak argument and you should abandon it before you make yourself look like a tool.

[-S-a-g-e]

Then allow me to respond directly.

Many of us don't want to deal with the idiots that got banned. They got banned for a reason, and it's likely that they are not people we want to interact with in the first place. It's not a "win-win" because the banners roam free and we have to deal with their stupidity once again. Who does it negatively impact? Those of us who have to deal with them when they're free.

Yes. SE is remaking their game and the forums are getting an overhaul. That does not make people who got banned any less stupid for doing whatever action they did to get banned.

Furthermore, and possibly to a lesser extent, it negates the impact of punishment to begin with. These people got "permanently" banned. If they were suddenly released on a second chance, a lot of good "permanent" bans do. What's next? Big Jimmy can choose to ignore the rules, knowing he'll get his ban lifted again at some point? Hell, why not just unban everyone at milestones in the games life. New expansion! Release the bans! Starlight Festival! Release the bans! You're messing with the integrity of the punishment by doing this.

Also, just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we don't understand. That's a weak argument and you should abandon it before you make yourself look like a tool.

Problem is your point validates all my points that much more. Probational periods for the ones who were previously banned and big deal you might waste 10 seconds of your time reading one of their topics or posts? Or you can use your own free will and say "Oh gifthorse posted this! I ain't going to waste my time reading it" then you don't have anything to deal with. Not that I am condoning the behavior of the 80% or 90% that deserves the ban but I knew a few people outside of my brother who gotten banned for lashing out at the trolls.

So I ask you again, how is the previously banned players going to cause you any harm? You have to read their posts of your own will for them to be an issue, if you don't want a troll to get bigger don't feed it. The whole fact that the 1.0 forums is coming to an end and the 2.0 forums are beginning makes it where it doesn't negate the punishment. The probation also is a counter for this, heck maybe even give them limited posting privileges until their probational period is over.

Are you really so unwilling to make a compromise in something so simple? Something that is a really a non-issue topic? I just would like to see SE give their paying fan base a second chance just like the fans are going to give FFXIV a second chance.

[Elexia]

Are you really so unwilling to make a compromise in something so simple? Something that is a really a non-issue topic? I just would like to see SE give their paying fan base a second chance just like the fans are going to give FFXIV a second chance.

As stated, it undermines the rules of the forums and it pretty much tells SE there's no point to enforcing their rules if they just unban people. You unban one person you have to unban everyone or there will be problems.

"Hey SE unbanned this person, I may have been a gigantic troll that posted nothing but porn gifs but why am I not unbanned?"

"Heeeeey yeah, I called this guy an idiot and threw around racial slurs to enforce my argument..unban me plz."

If SE doesn't unban them, they not only undermined their own rules they're being hypocritical to the situation. So it "hurts" no one, but it merely undermines what happens when you break rules.

[Titans]

Then allow me to respond directly.

Many of us don't want to deal with the idiots that got banned. They got banned for a reason, and it's likely that they are not people we want to interact with in the first place. It's not a "win-win" because the banners roam free and we have to deal with their stupidity once again. Who does it negatively impact? Those of us who have to deal with them when they're free.

Yes. SE is remaking their game and the forums are getting an overhaul. That does not make people who got banned any less stupid for doing whatever action they did to get banned.

Furthermore, and possibly to a lesser extent, it negates the impact of punishment to begin with. These people got "permanently" banned. If they were suddenly released on a second chance, a lot of good "permanent" bans do. What's next? Big Jimmy can choose to ignore the rules, knowing he'll get his ban lifted again at some point? Hell, why not just unban everyone at milestones in the games life. New expansion! Release the bans! Starlight Festival! Release the bans! You're messing with the integrity of the punishment by doing this.

Also, just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we don't understand. That's a weak argument and you should abandon it before you make yourself look like a tool.

I'm quite certain that you are not a perfect person. I'm almost sure that you've done something wrong at least once in your life if not more than that. And I'm sure you was giving a chance to reform. If not then you are God almighty, NOT. SE should give every paying customer a chance to reflect there likes or dislikes about their second chance that they are asking us to give them. If they don't reform then ban them again, that's what the moderators are for.

[Cynthis]

I agree with op. Give everyone a second chance, especially Gath.

lol, I can't help but agree.

[Warlock]

In OP's Bro's defense some people here are like spoiled brats who you can't tell what they deserve else cops jump you XD!
wish there was more freedom of speech

[Alerith]

I'm quite certain that you are not a perfect person. I'm almost sure that you've done something wrong at least once in your life if not more than that. And I'm sure you was giving a chance to reform. If not then you are God almighty, NOT.

Of course people make mistakes. Everyone does. And everyone should be expected to pay for those mistakes. What mistakes I have made in life, I have faced the consequences for. Not a single one of them were so monumental that I had to make life reforms for.

See, there's this thing called integrity. If you have it, you're going to deal with problems and punishments a lot better. If you don't, you're going to try and justify how the world was unfair to you and that you don't really deserve the punishment or how it shouldn't have been as "harsh".

SE should give every paying customer a chance to reflect there likes or dislikes about their second chance that they are asking us to give them. If they don't reform then ban them again, that's what the moderators are for.

That defeats the purpose of being banned. You're either banned or you're suspended. The people who were banned were banned for a reason. To lift that ban just because is completely undermining the integrity of a ban to begin with.

You're basically saying it would be ok to release murderers and rapists from jail because they have learned their lesson and should be given a second chance, with absolutely no evidence to support this, other than "It's the right thing to do and they can be monitored when they get out.". This is silly, because even though someone can be monitored, that doesn't immediately prevent them from action. It merely allows you to know when a new infraction takes place.

Not to mention, people are banned for a reason.. I don't care how saintlike the OP feels her brother is. He got banned for a reason. A purpose exists behind his punishment, as with everyone else who has been banned.

Honestly, the mods on this forum are extremely tolerant of a lot of bull. For him or anyone else to get banned, it isn't just some arbitrary decision to mess with someone. They messed up on a large enough level to warrant getting a permanent ban. Permanent.

To take it a step further:

Were I to ever, EVER, do anything that warranted a permanent banning, I would never expect that to be lifted. If I deserve it, there is no argument with it, so I apply the same strict standards to myself as well.

[moraliania]

I think this is very important topic and devs and mods should take this seriously. The gaming world grows and also the rules and laws in the jungle should be fair. In real life a murder doesn't mean sitting rest of life in stone and saying badly to police normally doesn't cause any harm. General practices can be changed and should be changed. My opinion: 3 months ban, never longer. Thanks OP - I support 101 %. -- Northman --

[moriandrio]

I think this is very important topic and devs and mods should take this seriously. The gaming world grows and also the rules and laws in the jungle should be fair. In real life a murder doesn't mean sitting rest of life in stone and saying badly to police normally doesn't cause any harm. General practices can be changed and should be changed. My opinion: 3 months ban, never longer. Thanks OP - I support 101 %. -- Northman --

In Real Life murders get executed too, so we should do this here too? btw in real life person can go to jail for more then an entire lifespan.

But comparing forum bans with murders is stupid anyway cause they don't have anything common. RL has it own rules and gaming forums have their rules. If they get broken you get punished, if you do it multiple times punishments gets harder cause you didn't use your 2nd chance.

And a few years ago I offended cops while I was drunk, I got a warning by a judge and had to pay 400€ punishment. You can even go to jail for saying certain stuff (varies for each country of course) so i wouldn't say it doesn't cause any harm....

[moraliania]

Punishments are needed but because it happens sometimes that the doom is wrong, it should not be permanent. 3 months is long time anyway. This is my opinion that they should give mercy to op's bro. But single case handling is difficult. And it's difficult to be the justice. So much easier just shorten the ban time.