FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Opening Movie Now Live! (01/07/2013)

[Viscount]

The problem with this argument is that, from the perspective of those of us who are, for lack of a better word, complaining, these aren't two separate videos, they are one video, shown in parts. If the second half was shown as a separate video, I don't think there would have been many or any complaints about it's lack of narrative.

The problem that we are having is the absolutely stunning visual story presented by the End of an Era segment, which makes us - excited - go "and then, and then?" To which the video answers STUFF. The narrative grinds to an abrupt halt mid video. I would be fine if we had gotten no answers, but if the sequence following the Awakening of Derplander had had some sort of consistent narrative with the first half, but it didn't. You could arrange those scenes in any order and they would make just as much sense as the ones presented in the official video.

As I said, it's not the video itself that is bad, it's that it's so jarring compared to the first half. If these had been shown separately, I don't think you would have seen any complaints of this type.

exactly.
Its very hard to convey in words, so let me show the others.

here is an opening for FFXII (bear in mind this is an opening and not a trailer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L20Ph_IC514

now here is the proper opening with narrative
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGd69sQKyGo

can you spot the difference?

[Laume]

exactly.
Its very hard to convey in words, so let me show the others.

here is an opening for FFXII (bear in mind this is an opening and not a trailer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L20Ph_IC514

now here is the proper opening with narrative
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGd69sQKyGo

can you spot the difference?

right, what we're saying is this video is more akin to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L20Ph_IC514

Than this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGd69sQKyGo

Which, by your definition, makes it an opening movie, not a trailer and it doesn't have narrative. Which, again, is what the original japanese page says.
FF14：新生エオルゼア』のβテスターの募集開始！ オープニングムービーも公開されたぞ！
or
[FF14: reborn eorzea's] beta test's signup opening! Opening movie also released! (direct translation)


Again, we're not saying you have to like it. We're saying that it's not a trailer. It's an opening movie and therefore akin more to a teaser than a trailer.

[Viscount]

right, what we're saying is this video is more akin to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L20Ph_IC514

Than this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGd69sQKyGo

Which, by your definition, makes it an opening movie, not a trailer and it doesn't have narrative. Which, again, is what the original japanese page says.
FF14：新生エオルゼア』のβテスターの募集開始！ オープニングムービーも公開されたぞ！
or
[FF14: reborn eorzea's] beta test's signup opening! Opening movie also released! (direct translation)


Again, we're not saying you have to like it. We're saying that it's not a trailer. It's an opening movie and therefore akin more to a teaser than a trailer.

The first vid is more like a trailer and the second vid is the opener.
i feel that the FFXIV opener is more like the first FFXII vid as it doesnt set up the story of the game.
i have never argued semantics or technicality which is why i said your post was akin to a straw man.
i have only argued what i felt, so lets just agree to differ.

[Laume]

The first vid is more like a trailer and the second vid is the opener.
i feel that the FFXIV opener is more like the first FFXII vid as it doesnt set up the story of the game.
i have never argued semantics or technicality which is why i said your post was akin to a straw man.
i have only argued what i felt, so lets just agree to differ.

I really can't because, as I've mentioned before, if I made one when the studio pay me to do another, I'd be kicked out so hard that my grandparents would feel it.

And the initial post I was replying to was:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post931388

Originally Posted by xXHalloweenTrixXx
Play the game and you will learn more.

-.- They are just showing teasing footage of what is to come on your new journey

right which should be reserved for a trailer not an opener

Which, yes, is technically arguing the semantics of where teasing should go, in a trailer or an opener. In which I replied that this is an "opening movie", in which, yes, teasing does belong.

And if I was to put a fallacy on your posts, it'd be "Moving the goal posts". But I really tried to refrain from that using that term because I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I think what we can agree on is:
a) the opening movie isn't to your taste. (and that's fine)
b) probably it wasn't as awe-inspiring or fast-paced (or both).
c) this is an opening movie, not a trailer.

The only point I wanted to emphasize is, this is an opening movie. This isn't a trailer by any stretch of the definition. Some people may mistakenly call it a trailer because they don't know the technical definition of one (just like how some people call IE a search engine or their desktop the "home page"), but it's an opening movie. And because this is an opening movie, teasing does belong in here.

[Xenor]

Man, SE sure does know how to make eye candy for the gays. Why can't all men look like this?

[Viscount]

I really can't because, as I've mentioned before, if I made one when the studio pay me to do another, I'd be kicked out so hard that my grandparents would feel it.

And the initial post I was replying to was:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post931388



Which, yes, is technically arguing the semantics of where teasing should go, in a trailer or an opener. In which I replied that this is an "opening movie", in which, yes, teasing does belong.

And if I was to put a fallacy on your posts, it'd be "Moving the goal posts". But I really tried to refrain from that using that term because I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I think what we can agree on is:
a) the opening movie isn't to your taste. (and that's fine)
b) probably it wasn't as awe-inspiring or fast-paced (or both).
c) this is an opening movie, not a trailer.

The only point I wanted to emphasize is, this is an opening movie. This isn't a trailer by any stretch of the definition. Some people may mistakenly call it a trailer because they don't know the technical definition of one (just like how some people call IE a search engine or their desktop the "home page"), but it's an opening movie. And because this is an opening movie, teasing does belong in here.

Thats where we disagree. i believe an opening movie sets the scene, begins the story, initiates the plot. None of that was present here.
I replied to a post about teasing footage, not about the opener being a "Teaser". Teasing footage could mean anything,
a Chocobo taking a dump could be a teaser, but that doesnt belong in an opener.

[Laume]

Thats where we disagree. i believe an opening movie sets the scene, begins the story, initiates the plot. None of that was present here.
I replied to a post about teasing footage, not about the opener being a "Teaser". Teasing footage could mean anything,
a Chocobo taking a dump could be a teaser, but that doesnt belong in an opener.

Let's set some ground definitions:
Opening movie: Movie that happens before you even start a new game.
Opener (really should be called prologue or intro): movie that starts when the game starts.
Teaser: footage or montage of footages released before the product to stir up excitement and desire for said product.

These are industry standard definitions. Regardless of what you or I say they should or should not mean, this is what they mean to vast majority of people as well as the people who make said product and made the terms.


Again:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post931623

Which, yes, is technically arguing the semantics of where teasing should go, in a trailer or an opener. In which I replied that this is an "opening movie", in which, yes, teasing does belong.

because:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post931532

b) What good is an opening movie to a game that shows you nothing? Conversely, what good is an opening movie that shows you the entire storyline of the game without having you play it?

Which means, if I made that too vague, yes, it is where teasing footage is suppose to go.

About replying to a teaser vs a teasing footage, I already explained this point:

An opener is usually closer to a teaser. A trailer explains what is coming up, and hence, needs a narrative.

I should have said "opening movie" instead of opener, but I was trying to not get too technical. The point, however, still stands. As seen from the quote above.

Teasing footage could mean anything,
a Chocobo taking a dump could be a teaser, but that doesnt belong in an opener.

And yes, as I mentioned before, teasing footages do belong in an opening movie because:

An opener is an invitation to come in, not the intro to a book.

Again, should have used opening movie instead of opener. But did it to not try to sound too technical. The point still stands.

[Viscount]

Let's set some ground definitions:
Opening movie: Movie that happens before you even start a new game.
Opener (really should be called prologue or intro): movie that starts when the game starts.
Teaser: footage or montage of footages released before the product to stir up excitement and desire for said product.

These are industry standard definitions. Regardless of what you or I say they should or should not mean, this is what they mean to vast majority of people as well as the people who make said product and made the terms.


Again:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post931623


because:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post931532

Which means, if I made that too vague, yes, it is where teasing footage is suppose to go.

About replying to a teaser vs a teasing footage, I already explained this point:

I should have said "opening movie" instead of opener, but I was trying to not get too technical. The point, however, still stands. As seen from the quote above.




And yes, as I mentioned before, teasing footages do belong in an opening movie because:


Again, should have used opening movie instead of opener. But did it to not try to sound too technical. The point still stands.

you got issues Laume?
i dont like how scenes are needlessly cut into the cinematic thats all.
so stop this jargon rubbish, i really aint interested.

[KaMuiSouZou]

Thats where we disagree. i believe an opening movie sets the scene, begins the story, initiates the plot. None of that was present here.
I replied to a post about teasing footage, not about the opener being a "Teaser". Teasing footage could mean anything,
a Chocobo taking a dump could be a teaser, but that doesnt belong in an opener.

There was a narrative in the new footage, but the narrative itself was just very very short. Basically it goes, "after the Louisoix fade to white, the world has now changed. The city states/CoK members are still here but now Odin and Behemoth roam around. The midlander party (us) now teleport into this new world and ride off to start our new adventure (beginning of ARR game)."

Short version - "we teleport in the future after things have changed and start our game."

So while it seems very trailer like because the new footage narrative is so short, it is actually a narrative story. The trailer like footage (Eorzean Alliance/city states with CoK members/Odin/Behemoth) IMO is more accurately described as a montage to introduce to us the new state of Eorzea, although it does also serve as a "trailer/teaser" to the new main storyline that the midlander party is riding off to. It's all just a segway for us to start playing the game and experience the new storyline after all.