[Reminder] Are you ready to cry again? (2° Wave of Alpha invites tomorrow, 3 dec.)

[Abriael]

Ehhh in my posts I don't refer to individuals on forums. I wasn't literally referring to you, but to the general audience who actually comes here mad as hell they didn't get into alpha and goes about showing their rage in all the wrong ways. Although I laughed so hard at the mere suggestion of what Square-Enix staff "better" do.

I'm sorry you got the wrong impression, but only kids need to boost their argument by using personal attacks. That's my belief on it, so I'd never personally attack someone unless I could attach the term and have everyone agree it described them.

Overall, I just disagree with your interpretation of things and I also don't agree with your reaction. By calling you Joan of Arc, in case you took offense to that, my intention was to show that you'll have done all of this criticism of their methods during alpha for naught at the end of the day.

Apology accepted. I offer criticism with no expectation or demand of it being considered or adopted. If they will consider it, great. If they won't, at the very least I tried.

Considering how many suggestions i and other gave for this game and the next, and the percentage of them that are actually adopted, we do a TON of things for naught on this forum. It's really no reason not to let our voice be heard.

Yeah yeah yeah, next you'll deny that you're crying and butthurt over not getting into alpha. Then you'll start crying some more and being butthurt over not getting into alpha, then I'll laugh at you for being a butthurt crybaby over not gettng into alpha, then you'll deny you were crying... wash, wrinse, repeat. I know how it goes by now, Abby. The same old song, the same old dance. lol

I simply denied things you falsely accused me of having done. The forums are open to everyone and my posts are there for everyone to see. So it's pretty evident that now you're resorting to lies to try and misrepresent my person.

That's honestly quite low.

[EinSoFZ]

Apology accepted. I offer criticism with no expectation or demand of it being considered or adopted. If they will consider it, great. If they won't, at the very least I tried.

Considering how many suggestions i and other gave for this game and the next, and the percentage of them that are actually adopted, we do a TON of things for naught on this forum. It's really no reason not to let our voice be heard.

Yeah, that's the thing. We all know they listen to us and that it's important for us to share our concerns. So I'm not trying to stifle your voicing your concerns or ideas, but I am saying to pick your battles especially when it seems like you could be biased. From what I've read, and I don't deny maybe the wrong impression was gotten, you just sound like you wouldn't have done any this had you been selected for alpha when you wanted. If they had picked you during that first wave, would you still have been here asking them to contemplate their selection process?

Are you playing Alpha yet? My issue is that getting in was always a dice roll AGAINST one's favor. The only thing I thought was a little retarded was how they sent invites to inactives and people who may not even be on the radar for this game. You say they should cater to this and that, and reward loyalty etc. But that's really not how this works. Never has been.

I don't think it's a valid point to criticize I guess, aside from what I mentioned.

[Abriael]

If they had picked you during that first wave, would you still have been here asking them to contemplate their selection process?

Absolutely. You'll notice that I almost never talk about me. My problem is and has always been that they left out a sizable part of the active customer base (how big? we don't know, but it certainly is sizable from what we can see), but they invited inactive users, despite what was clearly specified in the application form.

That has nothing to do with the fact that I've been invited or not. Irrationally, if I was invited, I would be less disappointed, but rationally, I can't approve of them leaving out their active customer base to make room for those that chose not to support this game. So yes, I would definitely speak against it, and with the same intensity (as my criticism is entirely rational, I leave my irrational disappointment out of it).

This is why I love kickstarter and support games on it all the time. I strongly believe that developers should first and foremost hold the feedback of those that support them in the highest possible consideration. On kickstarter, if you support a game, the developer will normally go above and beyond the call of duty to give you the tools to provide that feedback, and that's why I have a reasonable amount of confidence that games like Star Citizen will come out very nicely.

[EinSoFZ]

Absolutely. You'll notice that I almost never talk about me. My problem is and has always been that they left out a sizable part of the active customer base (how big? we don't know, but it certainly is sizable from what we can see), but they invited inactive users, despite what was clearly specified in the application form.

That has nothing to do with the fact that I've been invited or not. Irrationally, if I was invited, I would be less disappointed, but rationally, I can't approve of them leaving out their active customer base to make room for those that chose not to support this game. So yes, I would definitely speak against it, and with the same intensity (as my criticism is entirely rational, I leave my irrational disappointment out of it).

This is why I love kickstarter and support games on it all the time. I strongly believe that developers should first and foremost hold the feedback of those that support them in the highest possible consideration. On kickstarter, if you support a game, the developer will normally go above and beyond the call of duty to give you the tools to provide that feedback, and that's why I have a reasonable amount of confidence that games like Star Citizen will come out very nicely.

I'm not doubting you, but I have to take that with a grain of salt because what's done is done. Moreover this "sizeable" part that got left out....what are you basing that on? Surely you not taking anecdotal evidence from the forums to suggest that the users here, vocal as they are, represent the entire playerbase of 1.0? Alpha being limited as it was, was destined to see a great many players not enter it and on top of that what entitles active customers to dibs? If anything, it should be a general mix of player types and not an attempt to give already interested players a way to keep on playing. I just don't understand and being that I've been around since original launch I think I'm qualified to speak on being around already and what we ought to get for that.

SE had motives behind inviting inactives to alpha. I don't like it, but I can understand. Don't really know why everyone else ignores why they might have done that. I still believe a great deal of players who were in 1.0 got in too. I don't think it hurt other than the feelings of those who felt SE would cater to those of us who were already 100% in.

[Firon]

I'm not doubting you, but I have to take that with a grain of salt because what's done is done. Moreover this "sizeable" part that got left out....what are you basing that on? Surely you not taking anecdotal evidence from the forums to suggest that the users here, vocal as they are, represent the entire playerbase of 1.0? Alpha being limited as it was, was destined to see a great many players not enter it and on top of that what entitles active customers to dibs? If anything, it should be a general mix of player types and not an attempt to give already interested players a way to keep on playing. I just don't understand and being that I've been around since original launch I think I'm qualified to speak on being around already and what we ought to get for that.

SE had motives behind inviting inactives to alpha. I don't like it, but I can understand. Don't really know why everyone else ignores why they might have done that. I still believe a great deal of players who were in 1.0 got in too. I don't think it hurt other than the feelings of those who felt SE would cater to those of us who were already 100% in.

One of the mains reason i have pointed out time and time again is they want voices from people who don't play the game and also because a lot of FFXIV players are or was only FF 11 player before this game came out so most of them could not even give a creditable feedback on U.I and other things that was not in FF XI.

[ispano]

One of the mains reason i have pointed out time and time again is they want voices from people who don't play the game and also because a lot of FFXIV players are or was only FF 11 player before this game came out so most of them could not even give a creditable feedback on U.I and other things that was not in FF XI.

And that's also a double edged sword. I know many people that never looked back when it came to FFXIV, would play it in alpha and get the same impression due to being incomplete. During a normal first release of a game, it's not as bad, but some of these people already have that bad taste in their mouth, so the timing of showing them the game is more crucial.

[Firon]

And that's also a double edged sword. I know many people that never looked back when it came to FFXIV, would play it in alpha and get the same impression due to being incomplete. During a normal first release of a game, it's not as bad, but some of these people already have that bad taste in their mouth, so the timing of showing them the game is more crucial.

Most if not all people who play games knows what an alpha/beta is, it's basically a demo so that does not really fly.

[Abriael]

I'm not doubting you, but I have to take that with a grain of salt because what's done is done. Moreover this "sizeable" part that got left out....what are you basing that on? Surely you not taking anecdotal evidence from the forums to suggest that the users here, vocal as they are, represent the entire playerbase of 1.0? Alpha being limited as it was, was destined to see a great many players not enter it and on top of that what entitles active customers to dibs? If anything, it should be a general mix of player types and not an attempt to give already interested players a way to keep on playing. I just don't understand and being that I've been around since original launch I think I'm qualified to speak on being around already and what we ought to get for that.

What entitles active customers to dibs? Besides what Square Enix themselves said in the application form (They're the ones that set the expectation), the fact that those active customers supported the game until now, while inactives chose not to. It seems pretty logical to me.

Also, that "sizable" comes from several forums, several social networks, and other personal sources. I don't pull percentages out of my rear, but the fact that the number of active customers excluded so far (who knows, they might still surprise us on monday, but I'm not holding my breath) is sizable is definitely a fact.

SE had motives behind inviting inactives to alpha. I don't like it, but I can understand. Don't really know why everyone else ignores why they might have done that. I still believe a great deal of players who were in 1.0 got in too. I don't think it hurt other than the feelings of those who felt SE would cater to those of us who were already 100% in.

I don't ignore it. I'm quite sure I know all the motives why they may have invited inactives in the alpha. Knowing those motives doesn't mean I won't disapprove the motives or the decision. That kind of accounts, in my opinion, fit much better into a beta than into the alpha.

Without mentioning the obvious fact that if you want to invite inactives, you simply don't go on record saying that they aren't eligible to apply.

Except you yourself said you only responded when attacked. I WILL find it in the pile of shit Unless of course, you've ninja edited it away.

Nope. I didn't say that. I said that in 99% of the cases I respond to other people's posts. Which aren't necessarily attacks to me. The largest percentage of my responses are about opinions, to people sharing their opinion. Not to attacks towards me.

One of the mains reason i have pointed out time and time again is they want voices from people who don't play the game and also because a lot of FFXIV players are or was only FF 11 player before this game came out so most of them could not even give a creditable feedback on U.I and other things that was not in FF XI.

That's as false as it can be. This very forum is evidence enough that the customer base at large has been none the gentle with 1.0's flaws. Posts of criticism are a very large percentage of the total.

The fault on the disastrous conditions of FFXIV 1.0's launch lays entirely with SE, please, don't try to shift the blame on the userbase, because it's pretty ridiculous.

If you think the testers of 1.0 didn't tell SE that they were going a disastrous route since way before launch, you've never read the beta forums. The feedback was given. Plenty of it, as a matter of fact. It was simply ignored.