FF14 stay Pay-To-Play please! (F2P = No thanks!)

[Fossil924]

F2P does *not* have to have cash shops or short cuts. You can do what WoW does. Why do you people object against that?

Everyone on these forums is LVL 50. Why would new people want to start this game if everyone else is 50 and they are 1? You people have it easy. You already got your year of free to play. New players may feel cheated.

Wait I have an idea. You get a subscription, you are 50 automatically. You don't, and you can't get past 30. I think that's fair.

#1 I have one level character a LV 50 Mnk my next highest character is a 45 Blm and they are both @ those levels because i put the time and it wasn't a grind to me at all.

#2 Like some people have already said WOW is not free to play.

Please don't compare anything to WOW!It's the most popular for a few reasons
#1 A monkey can play WOW it's that challenging(I had a 38 Pld back in the day in 2 days)
#2 It runs better then any other MMO(all games have some form of lag WOW just hides it better)
#3 it can run on anything since the graphics aren't very demanding being cartoonie.
$4 it's easy to level,easy to get around and easy to get Gold.

I've played just about all MMO's and alot of them in Alpha/Beta and only stayed with FFXI.Rift was kinda fun that ran and looked better then WOW and FFXI,but it was over run with WOWser's and all they did was compare it to WOW and except the Rift thing was a complete WOW ripoff.It was also easy to play with few challenges.Aion played more like FFXI with alot of weapon skills that not only had the same name,but the same animation<---thats pathetuc(Vorpal Blade) just an example!

I still have active characters(4) in FFXI which i pay and rarely use,but i keep active so if i decide to play it i can.

[PotatoSalad]

I hate all those people trolling that FFXIV ARR should become F2P.

That's literally all I needed to like this comment.

F2P does *not* have to have cash shops or short cuts. You can do what WoW does. Why do you people object against that?

Everyone on these forums is LVL 50. Why would new people want to start this game if everyone else is 50 and they are 1? You people have it easy. You already got your year of free to play. New players may feel cheated.

Wait I have an idea. You get a subscription, you are 50 automatically. You don't, and you can't get past 30. I think that's fair.

Awww, SHADDUP!

This account with it's myriad of 50s doesn't have legacy but my old one with only 1 lvl 50 and another char with highest 45 does... I will deliberately be making a brand new character and maining her.

I'll start out my adventure with gathering and then crafting. After several months(and making millions of gil- teehee!) THEN I'll move on to serious full time warfare, TYVM~

[Yolteotl]

I have no desire for FFXIV to go to micro-transactions and would drop the Final Fantasy series if they did.

1st of all i dunno why people use the deceptive term F2P because it's not even a viable option it's micro-transactions. And there's 2 things inherently wrong with micro-transactions.

#! and MOST important is that SE has always made a strong stance in support of "Fair Play". The concept of Fair Play is completely in contrast of micro-transactions. Buying accelerated XP, gear, etc from a Cash Shop (instead of earning it on equal terms with the rest of the player population) is directly in defiance of Fair Play.

#2 to maintain an equal playing experience of a subscription model in a micro-transaction game has always cost more than what subscription based games cost, with the exception of a few that are designed for children.

[Heavens]

I would pay $30 a month over going F2P.

[Griss]

Oh dear jebus will you people stop going on about free to play?

[Andrien]

I think a premium service will be fair. those that don't want to be a premium member will just stay gimp until they upgrade.


But hey, this is really further down the future. If SE thinks it will be the best way to attract and keep potential costumers, then they might consider it if they have to. I mean I hope they don't have to consider it, but its best to have a plan B for just in case.

[SwordCoheir]

F2P does *not* have to have cash shops or short cuts. You can do what WoW does. Why do you people object against that?

Everyone on these forums is LVL 50. Why would new people want to start this game if everyone else is 50 and they are 1? You people have it easy. You already got your year of free to play. New players may feel cheated.

Wait I have an idea. You get a subscription, you are 50 automatically. You don't, and you can't get past 30. I think that's fair.

Well that is kinda the whole point of F2P MMO's, they get their money from other sources trough "cash shops" such as exclusive gear, bonuses, stats, hell even like you said levels, you essentially buy your way to endgame and that's how F2P MMO's support themselves. SE on the other hand doesn't have any of that, and frankly it's doubtful they ever will.

You also have to consider the other problems with F2P as well. (I didn't read much of the thread so this could have been stated already)

-F2P makes it easier for competitors (gil sellers, bots, other players, etc.) to setup accounts to freely buy/sell items and goods too/from players instead of SE taking money and profits away from them (all they have to do is undercut SE).
-Players who can "buy" their way to endgame typically lose interest faster, and the longer subscribers typically bring more money over time than people who spend 50 bucks and quit a month later.
-People who don't or are not willing to pay their way to endgame typically are at major disadvantages (IE: No obtainable uber gear, gear restrictions, limited playtime or Fatigue systems, and even in some cases lack of basic gameplay features.)
-Constant Development of new limited time goods to sell for the F2P shops typically take up a larger portion of the developers time, which takes away from the games overall development.

All I can say is SE already took a big gamble trying to reboot FFXIV, they take an even greater gamble going to F2P. Companies like Blizzard's systems work with like Diablo 3 because much of their gear plays off the deplorable RNG that randomly rolls stats leaving the probability that the item can be great, good, or just plain suck automatically hightening or lowering the value of items and removing the need for constant new item development, SE doesn't have that luxury nor the resources to redevelop FFXIV for such a system or any other F2P system that wouldn't take away from the development of the game itself.

[urban]

I Perfer P2P because of 1 reason -----> it stop non-serious players from playing this game. Its invites hardcore players ( like myself ) and casual players. it separates the non-serious from the serious players who invest their money into FFXIV. i know F2P have some serious players also. i also play F2P like ex: Aion because FFXIV is not out yet but when it is i will be there fo sho. Right now FFXIV server are up and im logged in into game knowing there will be no save. i still run around and let my character idle...just hoping i'll see something special going on. I enjoy play F2P but im not serious about it. i know im not because i haven't play Aion about a week now. just my opinion im not knocking those who enjoy F2P but please don't do a Poll and covinces FFXIV to be F2P /say if you would be so kind

[Toxsik]

Yes no F2P ever please, thank you. I do agree with timed trials, if the game is enjoyable enough people will stay.

[Preypacer]

F2P does *not* have to have cash shops or short cuts. You can do what WoW does. Why do you people object against that?

What WoW offers is a limited free trial, capped at level 20. It's no more "free to play" than the 14 day free trial it replaced. The only difference is they limit what level you can get to, rather than how many days you can play. When you think about it, and how fast/easy things are in WoW these days - even as a new player - you can get a lot farther than level 20, and do a lot more content in 14 days. You can get to level 20 inside of an afternoon, easily. It's easier to cap content for a free trial based on "maximum level" than it is based on "maximum days".

When you think about it, it adds up. By allowing you to get to level 20 quickly and experience the content up to that point - even on multiple races/classes - and then hitting that hard limit, you get to a point of making a decision:
1. You're going to find the game is worth it and buy a full account.
2. You're going to find it's not worth it to you, cancel, and get the hell off their servers.

With a level 20 cap (again, being as easy to reach as it is), you're going to reach that point in as little as a day or two. With a 14 day trial, you'll be hanging out for a while, and likely seeing a lot more of the game along the way.

The level 20 limit works a lot more to their benefit than it does the players'.

Everyone on these forums is LVL 50. Why would new people want to start this game if everyone else is 50 and they are 1? You people have it easy. You already got your year of free to play. New players may feel cheated.

New players will have a brand-new game that isn't borked beyond belief (ideally) and will have much more to do. They won't have to put up with the on-going issues, bugs and such that 1.0 players did to play the game. So, in another way, they could feel fortunate that they are starting off and getting to experience a much better game where much of it isn't experienced through gritting teeth.

In fact, a number of people have stated exactly that intention; to wait 'til ARR launches, see how it is, and start then. So they're not being "cheated" at all. They're doing it by choice.

Another way of looking at it... how are they being "cheated"? Others were playing while they weren't and, so, others would make progress while they weren't. I see nothing unfair in that.

Existing level 50s can also start new characters and experience it all from level 1 as well. Or, as in my case, people have classes/jobs that aren't leveled at all and can still experience the whole game from level 1.