A challenge. Make Bard more Bard.

[Ingolf]

Remember, there's a level cap and I'm sure the stronger bard gets the more knowledgable- more songs and abilities will be available. What I am hope for, is the DD role of archer. I'm hoping for a Ranger job to take archer into a DDing role instead of plain support.

I hope so. Only having 3 songs is pretty bad imo, especially when one of them is kinda lackluster. I dunno, maybe I'm in the minority here but I want to feel like a support when I play BRD. DDing is fine when your waiting on songs and I think they did a good job with that... but primarily, I want to be supporting my allies.

[Ingolf]

If the majority gets bored of a job, it means something's wrong.

Also, deciding what song to sing takes 5 seconds and you do it before the battle begins. Then its the same refreshing over and over.

This is the problem with XIV's BRD. Whilst in XI at later levels you stuck to marches, ballads and minuets, early on you had to use a multitude of different songs to maintain your group.

As well as the multiple debuff songs like elegies, lullabies and requiems.

Being proactive was the sign of a good BRD in XI. I want the same option here.

Being a good BRD was rewarding in XI. You saw your groups performance go through the roof, you didn't have to be the hurr durr meathead DD.

[Whippet]

The bard of ff11 would be nice to have again over ff14 bard...

NO lol

FFXI Bard was fucking boring just sing song and thats it

At least FFXIV can deal DMG sing song and help buff a bit. They need to keep it that way just better

[Kerwin]

More songs, abilities, and instruments. Without these the current BRD is just a mediocre DD with very little noticible song effects. I want BRD to shine like it did in XI. Parties would get excited if there was a brd in the group. I just want that same feel again.

[Majidah]

More songs, abilities, and instruments. Without these the current BRD is just a mediocre DD with very little noticible song effects. I want BRD to shine like it did in XI. Parties would get excited if there was a brd in the group. I just want that same feel again.

Have you seen a ballad being sang with AF body on? that shit is noticeable.

The only problem is that most XIV bards dont bother with equipment macros.

[Totorixiii]

Although I've not yet gotten my archer past level 20 yet but the next job I am planning to take it to 50 once 2.0 ARR released is Bard.

I do like the fact that the current FFXIV Bard is a DD and a supporting class but yes, the very little choice of songs and non-existant of animation and instrument doesn't portray it as a Bard and that's what players notice it most about it.

Many players actually do like Bard being able to be a DD with a bow while supporting a party with songs, which actually save 1 extra slot in a party

I do support the current archer/bard however, Bard being the end job over archer doesn't feel like a bard much with it's limitation on being a bard.

I have a feeling Yoshi-P may add more stuff and attention to bard in the future updates post 2.0 ARR when it releases.

[Ingolf]

NO lol

FFXI Bard was fucking boring just sing song and thats it

At least FFXIV can deal DMG sing song and help buff a bit. They need to keep it that way just better

If that's all you did, you were a bad BRD.

In endgame shit I did the following on BRD:

1) Sing songs
2) Slept adds
3) Support healed
4) Support spells (protect, shell etc)
5) Debuffed the mob
6) Pulled adds
7) DD'd if I had time

BRD was one of the busiest jobs in XI, if played right. If you were one of those BRD's who just sung a song every 2 minutes then the job was boring due to your own ineptitude.

SAM was boring too, if you just auto attacked.

[Totorixiii]

If that's all you did, you were a bad BRD.

In endgame shit I did the following on BRD:

1) Sing songs
2) Slept adds
3) Support healed
4) Support spells (protect, shell etc)
5) Debuffed the mob
6) Pulled adds
7) DD'd if I had time

BRD was one of the busiest jobs in XI, if played right. If you were one of those BRD's who just sung a song every 2 minutes then the job was boring due to your own ineptitude.

SAM was boring too, if you just auto attacked.

I agree with you Ingolf. Jobs like white mage, red mage and bard (supporting class) is all based on how productive you are and how you play the jobs.

[Ingolf]

I agree with you Ingolf. Jobs like white mage, red mage and bard (supporting class) is all based on how productive you are and how you play the jobs.

Yep!

They key thing with BRD though is that every role it fulfilled was supportive. I'd be happy if they gave BRD some decent curing gear too, so we could help out the WHM's more.

[Majidah]

Yep!

They key thing with BRD though is that every role it fulfilled was supportive. I'd be happy if they gave BRD some decent curing gear too, so we could help out the WHM's more.

Usually parties in XIV have 8 players, 2 of them being WHMs. That leaves no room for the BRD playing support aside AOE stoneskin.

Honestly giving BRDs some DD power makes the fights last shorter, so its the exact same opposite as giving them support. Only difference is it works with 8 player parties. An extra cure would be a bit useless.

WHMs in XIV are a lot more DD focused as well.