The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

[Nero]

The devs don't make any more money if you spend 50 hours a week on the game instead of 20.

Whether you're hardcore or casual, hard cash paid for the game is the same. You're entitled to have access to exactly the same content.

Time is money everywhere.. no matter which Job you work in. Did you ever work?

And you said it yourself.. you have the same access to the same content. But that doesnt mean you deserve the same amount of Items/Gear w/e. Thats the point, not the fee's you have paid to get access.

When i was 18 i had a Key to the Storeroom of my Boss. It all belong'd to him. In your way i could have go there and take anything out of it?

[Abriael]

Time is money everywhere.. no matter which Job you work in. Did you ever work?

Probably more than you. Considering the fact that I know the difference between a job and a game. The point is exactly that this is a game, not a job. Ergo your time does not have any monetary value.

And you said it yourself.. you have the same access to the same content. But that doesnt mean you deserve the same amount of Items/Gear w/e. Thats the point, not the fee's you have paid to get access.

You should read a little bit more, as the "hardcore" side is arguing that the developer should put more timesinks in place to bar the casuals from instances of content and their rewards.

When i was 18 i had a Key to the Storeroom of my Boss. It all belong'd to him. In your way i could have go there and take anything out of it?

Apples to oranges. Hardcore gamers are not the casuals' bosses and FFXIV is not a job.

[Eldaena]

The devs don't make any more money if you spend 50 hours a week on the game instead of 20.

Whether you're hardcore or casual, hard cash paid for the game is the same. You're entitled to have access to exactly the same content.

Who isn't allowed to the same amount of content?

[Nero]

Probably more than you. The point is exactly that this is a game, not a job. Ergo your time does not have any monetary value.

I doubt that, unless you are born in 60's. Noone said its a Job, but if YOU spend Time on something.. no matter what.. its YOUR time and YOU deserve to get something out of it. In that case, like its been said a couple times: "Time is money". Or is your time not worth anything?

You should read a little bit more, as the "hardcore" side is arguing that the developer should put more timesinks in place to bar the casuals from instances of content and their rewards.

One thing which i totally want, but not because of casual gamers. I personally want that because of the Experience i made in FFXI over 7 Years. I Loved camping against other Linkshells, hours and hours sitting there and hoping for a claim and of course out of that, a good fight and a good reward.

Apples to oranges. Hardcore gamers are not the casuals' bosses and FFXIV is not a job.

Oranges to Apples. Casual Gamers are not the Maingroup of Players in FFXIV.

[Abriael]

Who isn't allowed to the same amount of content?

For now, no one, if some people posting around here would have it their way, the casuals would be barred from areas of content to make the hardcore feel speeeeecial because less people can get some virtual trinkets.

[Abriael]

I doubt that, unless you are born in 60's. Noone said its a Job, but if YOU spend Time on something.. no matter what.. its YOUR time and YOU deserve to get something out of it. In that case, like its been said a couple times: "Time is money". Or is your time not worth anything?

You get FUN out of it. You know, it's a game, you play it for your own enjoyment.
That's what determines the difference between games and jobs.

One thing which i totally want, but not because of casual gamers. I personally want that because of the Experience i made in FFXI over 7 Years. I Loved camping against other Linkshells, hours and hours sitting there and hoping for a claim and of course out of that, a good fight and a good reward.

I'm not surprised, some self-elected hardcore would love to put in absolutely BORING content in order to weed out people that want to have FUN with their limited time in the game.
Which of course is completely nonsensical, and would lower the overall quality of the game, since the whole point of good games is to have fun and not to be bored.

Oranges to Apples. Casual Gamers are not the Maingroup of Players in FFXIV.

Says who exactly? Sorry to burst a big bubble, but this game has been extensively publicized as casual friendly. If you want a game the "maingroup" of which is hardcores, you got the wrong one.

[Randis]

Time is money everywhere.. no matter which Job you work in. Did you ever work?

That is correct, except that Playing FF is NOT a job.
And this discussion is not about getting the same amount of gill and gear but merely having access to ALL content.

Spending too much time infront of your computer should never be awarded with extra content.
It should be discouraged.

Casuals are very much willing to spend time on things, most people would not mind if it takes weeks to get certain things but no one really wants to spend 10 hours non -top gameplay.
People don’t want 3-4 camping, understandable.
I personally would rather spend 5 weeks fighting the same mob 100 times to get the loot instead of spending 50 hours (combined)camping time for some stupid NM. Camping for me is no gameplay, its standing around, wasting my free time.
This is about not having to set alarm at night too.
Its like having to feed your tamagotchi 24 hours without break or he will die.

[Eldaena]

For now, no one, if some people posting around here would have it their way, the casuals would be barred from areas of content to make the hardcore feel speeeeecial because less people can get some virtual trinkets.

So...you're fighting about something that is not only NOT implemented, but is basically speculation? Devs have been catering too much to everyone's whining. Why don't you let the devs do their job and develop the game, and everyone else can just play it?

The way things stand, everyone can do everything if they put some effort into it AND everyone benefits from putting their time into it. Why can't it stay this way? Camping and elitism is sad, and so is everyone being able to get all classes to max rank easily. Right now they have a good balance and I'm sure they see that, that's why it is the way it is. People working on this game do know what they are doing and just because other people 'want' them specifically catered to them doesn't mean that will happen.

[Speeral]

No offence but most of you are kinda ocd or something . . . .


In any game you or any other players buys has access to the same content period.

Just the items or tiers there of increase in quality the more rare they are to obtain. Items are not freakin content, the event you do to get them are. Seriously no one is saying casuals or hardcore can't do the same content its what you get out of that content.

Look at Dynamis how many people have the AF2 compared to relics.

Seriously some of you think before you actually say something.

Not once in any MMO have not been able to participate its the reward that varied.

[Nero]

You get FUN out of it. You know, it's a game, you play it for your own enjoyment.

Of course i play for fun and i guess you are the same. But still.. there are loads of Games.. Offline or Online.. if i spend Time on a Game i want Results. As in playing a game to get 100% done, do complete a Mission or get Items. Why would i want to share those Stuff with People which just come around a Corner and be like "here i am give me that".?

Dont get me wrong, everyone can play like he/she wants to. If i would be a casual Player and knew there would be Items i just would get if i would play Hardcore i would just deal with it. I had Games with that Situations, so i can tell.

I'm not surprised, some self-elected hardcore would love to put in absolutely BORING content in order to weed out people that want to have FUN with their limited time in the game.
Which of course is completely nonsensical, and would lower the overall quality of the game, since the whole point of good games is to have fun and not to be bored.

Are we just talking about some Content or all Content? I knew people in FFXI for years which never come to fight Groundkings and they didnt care. So what kind of Content we talk about?

Says who exactly? Sorry to burst a big bubble, but this game has been extensively pubblicized as casual friendly. If you want a game the "maingroup" of which are hardcores, you got the wrong one.

It has been publicized as casual friendly. You got a Rank 50.. now tell me. Is it really casual-friendly? A few friends of mine are not playing at the moment because its not that casual-friendly like they thought. So they wait for more Content to come up with, where the Rank dont really mean Stuff. They are Mid-30's and of course they cant fight yet the 5 NM's and they got sick of doing the same leves over and over again. This Update brings some smaller ones they prolly can do. THAT is prolly more casual-friendly than it was the last 7 Month.

And beside all that Stuff.. Did you read the Polls? There you will get some Hints about the People which are playing currently and their Playtime.