What's the point of the 4/8 person party buffs?

[Betelgeuzah]

It's not in place to encourage grouping.

It's in place to make it harder for groups with <4 members to do content designed for 4-7 people, and to make content designed for 8 people harder to do with <8 people. This way they can design better content for specific group sizes: 1-3, 4-7, 8.

y, sol, y ;;

[solracht]

Why is it weird? Most MMORPGs keep a tight control over group numbers. By adding a buff like this, simply missing one person in a 8man group not only means losing the contribution of an extra member... it means losing 5% accuracy and survivality from the remaining 7 on top of it.

In the end it's about the content being designed with these systems in mind. Old NMs weren't.

It's pointless to go back and make sure all of our current content feels "right" when so many rehauls are coming. I'm willing to bet all the old content will be even easier after the battle, attribute and job system rehauls.

This is purely speculation on my part, but depending on how attributes work after the changes, the extra 5% accuracy could simply be needed in order to be able to defeat the 8man NMs (as they could be ridiculously higher level than the 4-7man NMs). A group attempting the 8man NM with less than 8 people would be lacking the stats to be able to kill it before the enrage.

Once again, it's all about how content is designed with these systems in mind.

[Griever]

Why is it weird? Most MMORPGs keep a tight control over group numbers. By adding a buff like this, simply missing one person in a 8man group not only means losing the contribution of an extra member... it means losing 5% accuracy and survivality from the remaining 7 on top of it.

In the end it's about the content being designed with these systems in mind. Old NMs weren't.

It's pointless to go back and make sure all of our current content feels "right" when so many rehauls are coming. I'm willing to bet all the old content will be even easier after the battle and job system rehauls.

Agreed, but survivability is kinda questionable when NMs were doable with 5 to 8 man long ago. And now they're even nerfing NMs, right?

The game should be good to both casuals and hardcore..but this is a little to much carebear mode IMHO.

[Arcell]

Agreed, but survivability is kinda questionable when NMs were doable with 5 to 8 man long ago. And now they're even nerfing NMs, right?

The game should be good to both casuals and hardcore..but this is a little to much carebear mode IMHO.

They never said Nerf. Adjusting can just as easily mean tailoring the fight to be challenging with 8 players.

[Griever]

They never said Nerf. Adjusting can just as easily mean tailoring the fight to be challenging with 8 players.

I hope you're right, cuz that'd be the only challenging thing we'd have atm...

[Zkieve]

It's not in place to encourage grouping.

It's in place to make it harder for groups with <4 members to do content designed for 4-7 people, and to make content designed for 8 people harder to do with <8 people. This way they can design better content for specific group sizes: 1-3, 4-7, 8.

This X100.
Why would people scream thins are easier when they were super easy to begin with .Did some one really thought having anything from the current NMs made you leet ?. orz.