Focus Classes amongst their respective Jobs

[syntaxlies]

one of the biggest problems with class/job system is the stat modifier. When you change to a job you get +10 stat point of your main stat or w/e it is. Thats not enough to make the difference.

cnj should get alot more int to kill faster
both mages should get mroe def to last longer

gladiator should get less def and alot more attack power
pug, lancer and archer as a class are already pretty self sufficient for solo stuff but maybe nerf their strength and give them more hp and or def.

More drastic changes like this is what they should be doing.

also jobs should get traits that boost their cross class skills while classes should not.

[Shougun]

one of the biggest problems with class/job system is the stat modifier. When you change to a job you get +10 stat point of your main stat or w/e it is. Thats not enough to make the difference.

cnj should get alot more int to kill faster
both mages should get mroe def to last longer

gladiator should get less def and alot more attack power
pug, lancer and archer as a class are already pretty self sufficient for solo stuff but maybe nerf their strength and give them more hp and or def.

More drastic changes like this is what they should be doing.

also jobs should get traits that boost their cross class skills while classes should not.

No thanks to better DD on CNJ...

Its pretty screwy - with DD gear on a CNJ it can compete with a THM, a WHM with a BLM on damage. So long as the monster doesn't have resistance to either elements (WHM owns stone/wind weak monsters, and BLM against lightning weak (not much is ice/fire and the spells themselves being aoe hampers the action)). There is a difference but it is negligible..

CNJ/WHM - Support, THM/BLM - Damage

[syntaxlies]

No thanks to better DD on CNJ...

Its pretty screwy - with DD gear on a CNJ it can compete with a THM, a WHM with a BLM on damage. So long as the monster doesnt have resistance to either elements. There is a difference but it is negligible..

CNJ/WHM - Support, THM/BLM - Damage

The first paragraph is were i mention that jobs stats should be much more advanced compared to classes so thm and cnj damage should be pretty equal for solo play since that's what it is. when you switch to job is when you would see a giant increase in blm damage and an increase in whm healing making them better for a role.

[ShadowVolt]

This thread is pretty dumb in my opinion. jobs will always be the better choice. they are UPGRADES of the classes please don't bring us back to the beginning of 1.0 ty

[Shougun]

The first paragraph is were i mention that jobs stats should be much more advanced compared to classes so thm and cnj damage should be pretty equal for solo play since that's what it is. when you switch to job is when you would see a giant increase in blm damage and an increase in whm healing making them better for a role.

Ah, I read the part where you said +10 isnt good enough but then your examples appeared to be buffing classes only. So I was figuring the boost in damage from CNJ (in your example) would carry into WHM making them even more competitive to BLM.

Perhaps my bias to the slightly re-envisioned BLM/WHM but I really dont want to see any damage competitiveness between those two mage jobs - it should be blatantly obvious (if anyone has tried a proper DD WHM setup its not that bad actually - just missing some hate resets BLM has).

This thread is pretty dumb in my opinion. jobs will always be the better choice. they are UPGRADES of the classes please don't bring us back to the beginning of 1.0 ty

They weren't supposed to be (they were supposed to be specializations that lost flexibility - though it ended up being in many cases no point not to go a job class (with the general intention that you go job in parties and class in solo play)). However, THM is a very common end game choice. Often a THM can save a team where a BLM would have failed and the party would have wiped.

[syntaxlies]

Ah, I read the part where you said +10 isnt good enough but then your examples appeared to be buffing classes only. So I was figuring the boost in damage from CNJ (in your example) would carry into WHM making them even more competitive to BLM.

Perhaps my bias to the slightly re-envisioned BLM/WHM but I really dont want to see any damage competitiveness between those two mage jobs - it should be blatantly obvious (if anyone has tried a proper DD WHM setup its not that bad actually - just missing some hate resets BLM has).



They weren't supposed to be (they were supposed to be specializations that lost flexibility - though it ended up being in many cases no point not to go a job class (with the general intention that you go job in parties and class in solo play)). However, THM is a very common end game choice. Often a THM can save a team where a BLM would have failed and the party would have wiped.

yes, whm should not compete for damage with blm. So when i said increase cnj damage, maybe i should have said nerf thm damage. Basically though i think class mage damage should not do more then 75% of blm damage. Classes are meant for solo but i dont think they tried to hard to balance them for playing solo.