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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebe View Post
    Plan C is much more extreme than Plan B, you know that right?

    Plan B: Kill one guy and end it all

    Plan C: Summon the manifestation of the 12 gods, draining the majority of the aether from the planet, and potentially ruining the future of Eorzea.

    In comparison, Plan B = assassination, Plan C = nuclear war. I pretty sure Lousioux mentions the consequences of summoning the twelve Gods, but i don't remember where, I think perhaps in Living on a Prayer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    It should be mentioned that said ruination by the Twelve is due to the nature of summoning them in this realm, that their intentions(good or ill) are not even factored in this mess only heightens the desperation of this plan. But the stakes are higher still. That Eorzea have any future at all from Dalamud's descent, that some or our lives and livelihood survive.
    We will lose much of our lives, and for some their entirety, here before this is over.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orophin View Post
    Doesn't Plan C seem more of a last effort type of thing? I mean it makes sense to me.
    Here is what Louisoix says before and after you accept Living on a Prayer:

    Louisoix: My dear Master. It does my spirit well to see you again, and none the worse for your encounter with Nael van Darnus.
    Louisoix: When you accompanied Master Garlond to the floating isle, you could not have known what awaited you there, nor whether you would ever return, yet thither you went, to spare Eorzea her doom...
    Louisoix: Your triumph should rightly have marked the end of this tale...alas, the fates are not so kind. Though it grieves me to say the words, the red moon of Allag...continues its descent.
    Louisoix: Following Nael van Darnus's defeat, we of the Circle of Knowing maintained our vigil over Dalamud.
    Louisoix: It took us but a little time to deduce that all was not as it should be...and rather longer to confirm our findings beyond a doubt...
    Louisoix: Did the blow that felled the White Raven come too late? Or is there another force that works to bring down Dalamud?
    Louisoix: Whatever the answer may be, one thing is plain: the threat of the Seventh Umbral Era yet looms nigh.
    Louisoix: Master. No man living could doubt your worth.
    Louisoix: Eorzea has peered over the precipice countless times, yet ever were you there to draw her back from the brink.
    Louisoix: Now, you must needs do so again. Heed me well, for I would entrust you with one final mission.
    Louisoix: I would have you become the beacon to summon forth the Twelve─aye, the guardian deities of Eorzea.
    Louisoix: Nophica, the Matron; Althyk, the Keeper; Byregot, the Builder; Rhalgr, the Destroyer...
    Louisoix: Azeyma, the Warden; Nald'thal, the Traders; Halone, the Fury; Menphina, the Lover...
    Louisoix: Oschon, the Wanderer; Llymlaen, the Navigator; Nymeia, the Spinner; and Thaliak, the Scholar─patron deity of mine own Sharlayan.
    Louisoix: Faith in the Twelve is strong in this land. By channeling that faith through prayer, we should be able to call upon their aid.
    Louisoix: Alas, we cannot simply pray wheresoever we please. We must needs present ourselves before the gods, at the places where they lie in slumber.
    Louisoix: Mayhap you are aware that divine symbols have manifested across the land in recent days? Well, it was by mine own hand that they did so.
    Louisoix: Graven upon ancient stone, these symbols are temporal representations of the Twelve. It is before these stones that we must entreat their succor via a ritual.
    Louisoix: I would have you embark on a pilgrimage to each of the locations and give fervent prayer─a prayer for Eorzea's salvation.
    Louisoix: In so doing, the gods shall awaken to lend us their aid. Will you do this thing, Master?
    Louisoix: The light of hope shines brilliantly within you, Master.
    Louisoix: No matter how deep their slumber, the gods will surely stir in the presence of such light.
    Louisoix: If you would lend me your map, I shall mark thereupon the places whither you must go.
    Louisoix: The pilgrimage will take you to the farthest reaches of the land. Steel yourself for a grueling journey, and pray exercise the utmost caution.


    There is not one mention of any danger whatsoever in praying to The Twelve. With the exception of the last line in which he mentions that the journey will be grueling due to the pilgrimage taking me to the farthest reaches of the land, there is no such mention of any inherent danger in summoning the Twelve.

    I don't know if somewhere along the line of completing this quest or mayhap upon completion Louisoix says "OH! I forgot to mention that all of Eorzea was at risk of being destroyed by the summoning of the Twelve" but as far as I know the three of you are making stuff up.

    To put it bluntly, Louisoix engraved the symbols of the Twelve patrons of Sharlavan in various potentially sacred stones across the land and we are to pray to them in a ritual manner so that they will save our ass. Doesn't this seem a lot easier and less risky than affronting the lunatic who has the power to control the lesser moon and bring it crashing down on our planet?

    Last time I checked, you pray to your gods/goddesses before entering a battle not after. Logically speaking, why risk your life against Van Darnus when you could first pray to the gods for their help? You see, if you die you can't pray. May as well pray before you die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scytale View Post
    That basically sums it up. Always best to solve conflicts through surgical strikes vs. all out assaults.

    It's time to accept that SE set the quest progression up as they intended, move on, and enjoy what's left of the game ^^
    yeah.........no.
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    From what I understood of the Living on a Prayer quest.. Louisoix asked us to pray to the stones to activate their power. At the final stone in Mor Dhona he draws power into his staff..and makes some talk about sacrificing himself to receive Dalamud, since Darnus is dead and its now free falling to Eorzea. I guess at first they thought defeating Darnus in time would stay the fall of Dalamud, but now that they see he is still set on a course for our world, he decides to be the new sacrifice.

    I'll have to dig up the text to see what he says exactly.
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  4. #54
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    Update: After completing the first prayer

    Papalymo: Ah, if it isn't young Master!
    Yda: Helloooooo!
    Yda: You're going on the pilgrimage, aren't you!? Louisoix told us all about it!
    Papalymo: For the love of Thaliak, Yda! Keep your voice down!
    Yda: I'm so glad you've decided to save the world again! It's a real weight off my mind, I can tell you!
    Papalymo: Ahem! You have my thanks also. Truth be told, I had feared you would be reluctant to help.
    Papalymo: Summoning deities requires an ungodly amount of aether, after all.
    Papalymo: And having manifested, sustaining even a single deity's corporeal form costs the land dearly─as you've seen for yourself.
    Papalymo: Yet here we are, seeking to summon no fewer than twelve of them!
    Papalymo: Channeling even a tiny portion of a deity's strength will tax you greatly.
    Papalymo: Fortunately, no more than that should be needed to stay the red moon's advance. At the very least, it should be sufficient to nullify Dalamud's power and ensure Eorzea's preservation.
    Papalymo: For an added blessing, the process should see some aether returned to the land─aether that Dalamud had absorbed from the primals.

    Papalymo: There is yet a future for Eorzea. I, for one, believe this to be true.
    Papalymo: You are of a mind with me, I trust?
    Papalymo: But without further ado, let us set to work. May the Twelve keep you!
    Yda: So long, Master! Be safe!
    Yda: I almost forgot to mention!
    Yda: When you're off summoning the Twelve, don't forget to visit all thirteen places, alright!
    Yda: Yeah, I was a bit puzzled about that myself, but then I realized Nald'thal has two aspects! So anyway, you heard it from me first!


    Highlighted in red where papalymo mentions the inherent dangers of channeling the deities. However, I think it far from equivalent to a Nuclear war...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsume View Post
    yeah.........no.
    Well, feel free to disagree with SE's scenario writers, but in the end, yeah, if they said stuff happened at that order, well...stuff happened in that order and it's over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdvancedWind View Post
    Well, feel free to disagree with SE's scenario writers, but in the end, yeah, if they said stuff happened at that order, well...stuff happened in that order and it's over.
    wait what? no way... really? I honestly thought SE was going to go back in time and change the past to accommodate my petty desires. Thank you for clearing that up!
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    keep doing, and thancred will confirm you what you doing could ruin greatly the planet.
    Btw for the careless : actually the so-called "b plan" of luisoux (calling the twelve etc) was mentioned by Cid after we defeated van darnus. It was something like "i'm glad we managed to kill van darnus, so we don't need the "other" plan lousoux have in mind, whatever thing is"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matsume View Post
    Highlighted in red where papalymo mentions the inherent dangers of channeling the deities. However, I think it far from equivalent to a Nuclear war...
    While it doesn't look like Western Australia, the events and effects of 2.0 is certainly the stuff of a post-apocalyptic story.
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    related to the "end" of the seventh umbral era?

    Someone got things mixed up here
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    I bet this is a resave to let us keep all the relics we got from under our bed. lulz
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