New NMs and Class Specific Gear

[Orophen]

Sarcasm? As Gear is currently meaningless and doesn't mend well for upcoming job changes. Dress up is cool and all, but we need requirements to work towards which in turn creates goals.

Okay, I've seen this argument floating around for a while now. It's seriously kind of bugging me. If you can't look at the gear that's out there and see that it works for you and work towards it as a goal because it makes you better at your job... then I dunno what's going on. I'm trying to communicate this as tactfully as possible. It's just weird and strange to hear this kind of reasoning. Is it just that you guys want something more "special" that no one else can have but you?

I don't get that. So what if everyone can wear it? So what if others are playing dress up with it? What makes it any less of a goal if it's a great piece of gear you need in order to get things done? Why would you need a requirement to want that piece of gear? I didn't want to say so up front, but it really feels like people aren't capable of thinking for themselves, like they need to be controlled or herded in some way to get things done, and that bothers me. I'm asking these questions seriously btw and I'd like a serious answer if possible.

[Choc]

No thanks, the last thing this game needs is more restrictions imo.

Between the gear and the actions this game doesnt have any restrictions whatsoever, its actually one of the major things we DO need.

[Nahaara]

This isn't really a restriction as its standard in all MMOs aside from this one and unfortunately the majority of people, based on forum posts, would want some restriction on armor in the form of level and class restrictions so they have a goal to work towards. There's no fun in being able to wear rank 50 armor at rank 1, make me work towards it.

Why not have both? Why not have a compromise and have 50% non-restricted gear and the other 50% you have to be a certain rank and class to be able to equip it? Everyone is happy that way and I don't see a problem with that either.

[Nephera]

Guys, If you wanted a piece of gear that you had to level up your class to equip then they did it backwards.

edit: unless it has a REQUIRED rank and its just not listed.

[Mack]

Okay, I've seen this argument floating around for a while now. It's seriously kind of bugging me. If you can't look at the gear that's out there and see that it works for you and work towards it as a goal because it makes you better at your job... then I dunno what's going on. I'm trying to communicate this as tactfully as possible. It's just weird and strange to hear this kind of reasoning. Is it just that you guys want something more "special" that no one else can have but you?

I don't get that. So what if everyone can wear it? So what if others are playing dress up with it? What makes it any less of a goal if it's a great piece of gear you need in order to get things done? Why would you need a requirement to want that piece of gear? I didn't want to say so up front, but it really feels like people aren't capable of thinking for themselves, like they need to be controlled or herded in some way to get things done, and that bothers me. I'm asking these questions seriously btw and I'd like a serious answer if possible.

Put it this way. In FFXI for example, you see someone pimped out in AF gear for the first time and you get pumped up and can't wait to level up to 60 so you can get all your AF gear!!!! in FFXIV, you just cross your fingers and you hope someone is selling that gear in the wards...that's the difference and that makes all the difference in the world in my opinion. In FFXI every few levels I felt rewarded with a new set of gear, in FFXIV I'm given everything before I even set foot outside of the city walls.

[Benji]

Okay, I've seen this argument floating around for a while now. It's seriously kind of bugging me. If you can't look at the gear that's out there and see that it works for you and work towards it as a goal because it makes you better at your job... then I dunno what's going on. I'm trying to communicate this as tactfully as possible. It's just weird and strange to hear this kind of reasoning. Is it just that you guys want something more "special" that no one else can have but you?

I don't get that. So what if everyone can wear it? So what if others are playing dress up with it? What makes it any less of a goal if it's a great piece of gear you need in order to get things done? Why would you need a requirement to want that piece of gear? I didn't want to say so up front, but it really feels like people aren't capable of thinking for themselves, like they need to be controlled or herded in some way to get things done, and that bothers me. I'm asking these questions seriously btw and I'd like a serious answer if possible.

Seems like something easy enough figure out why it's worth working towards. These guys drop gear with better stats than what you can probably get at that level currently in game I'd be willing to bet.

[Choc]

Okay, I've seen this argument floating around for a while now. It's seriously kind of bugging me. If you can't look at the gear that's out there and see that it works for you and work towards it as a goal because it makes you better at your job... then I dunno what's going on. I'm trying to communicate this as tactfully as possible. It's just weird and strange to hear this kind of reasoning. Is it just that you guys want something more "special" that no one else can have but you?

I don't get that. So what if everyone can wear it? So what if others are playing dress up with it? What makes it any less of a goal if it's a great piece of gear you need in order to get things done? Why would you need a requirement to want that piece of gear? I didn't want to say so up front, but it really feels like people aren't capable of thinking for themselves, like they need to be controlled or herded in some way to get things done, and that bothers me. I'm asking these questions seriously btw and I'd like a serious answer if possible.

I am actually probably one of the few people that do pay attention to recommended level but having requirements would help out quite a bit.

Currently people assume they can use all the best gear as long as they have the money, seeing as how money is pathetic in this game theres nothing stopping people from getting that high rank gear. This can hurt crafters (especially lower lvl ones) that want to make that low-mid rank gear since nobody actually buys it.

It hurts the feel of the game as often you see someone in high rank gear and assume they are high rank or sometimes envy it, right now the rank 45s are running around in the same stuff as rank 5s. It gets kind of boring if everyone looks the same.

Also yes it would give people goals to work towards.

[Elexia]

Okay, I've seen this argument floating around for a while now. It's seriously kind of bugging me. If you can't look at the gear that's out there and see that it works for you and work towards it as a goal because it makes you better at your job... then I dunno what's going on. I'm trying to communicate this as tactfully as possible. It's just weird and strange to hear this kind of reasoning. Is it just that you guys want something more "special" that no one else can have but you?

I don't get that. So what if everyone can wear it? So what if others are playing dress up with it? What makes it any less of a goal if it's a great piece of gear you need in order to get things done? Why would you need a requirement to want that piece of gear? I didn't want to say so up front, but it really feels like people aren't capable of thinking for themselves, like they need to be controlled or herded in some way to get things done, and that bothers me. I'm asking these questions seriously btw and I'd like a serious answer if possible.

Everyone wearing whatever:

Makes no sense honestly, even in fantasy novels there's a set of rules to equipment and that's not interactive content.

"Special that no one else can have":

In RPGs, well at least back in my day, you had to level either your physical level or your stats in order to equip certain weapon and equipments, which is a system that's still present today in MMORPGs, except for FFXIV. It's not about being special, it's about creating a goal, there's a shiny piece of gear you want thats rank 55, you'll want to level to eventually wear it, especially if it's an amazing design or has the best stats possible...

Take away that "goal" because at rank 1 you can wear it, why add a rank to it at all? Why have ranks or levels in the first place? There are plenty of flash games where you can play Dress Up, but RPG and MMORPGs there needs to be requirements and goals, there is way too much freedom in this game that it caused gear to be virtually useless to us, and this is ignoring unbalanced stats. This is what she likely meant by a requirement to work towards.

I was playing a new RPG that recently came out and you know what I seen?

"In order to equip (gear) you need (x) VIT."

[Amage]

OK Here i go

What i was saying is that Gear shouldnt be used by every Job on FFXIV If im a GLA and change jobs I dont want my armor to be worn by THM or CON I want gear to say at the bottom Lv. 30 THM/CON/SMN etc you can get where im going with this

OK Well the NM thing was something that to me gonna be failure gonna be the same Abyssea Trash they put out on FFXI
Where NM pops every 10-30min to make the Non-Hardcore wow lovers happy . I want to see NM's with the old feel that when you kill them and camp against a rival LS you feel Good/Great Because You beat them to Claim or Got a drop they didn't get. Bring Challenge to the game Not this "CoD/WoW generation of A.D.D. i got to have it now i dont want to work hard for it mentality " That All video games are taking . I played FFXI because it was a Game where the skilled played not people who get turned on by cartoony graphics Solo everything type game

Look at Rift better graphics but a carbon copy of WoW
Socom 4 Pritty much a crapy Call of Duty game
I think the only game that decided to go to its roots was Mortal Kombat why? to please their fans

Ok your goning to say a game needs to evolve . This is true but Evolving doesn't mean lose all your fundamentals


Im tired and i will post smarter post tomorrow but for now i hope you get it


Ohh 1 last thing
REALLY your name is Sonic_the_Hedgehog So to Much

[Orophen]

There's no fun in being able to wear rank 50 armor at rank 1, make me work towards it.

In this game, even if you can wear rank 50 armor at rank 1, there are penalties that often make actions like that worse than wearing level appropriate gear. If you're lazy and don't mind lowering your performance, then I don't see the issue. But I suppose it's just that you guys want a way to differentiate yourselves from lower level people. Since you're rank 50, you want to look the part. You don't want to look like a random rank 1. That's what I'm getting from reading replies so far. I suppose that's reasonable, though honestly I liked the fact that things were realistic in that gear was something that you just put on and it was up to you to wear what was effective.