2hr Abilites (Yes Please!)? or (No Thanks!)?

[Zkieve]

The problem with "2h" or "strong, one time" abilities is that it is quite hard if not impossible to balance and design content. I am sure FFXI players remember how 2h's of certain jobs were abused to make encounters easier, even in ways that the developers did not intend. If the devs have to design encounters with the use of 2h in mind, it also created an artificial timesink considering you 'need' to have the 2h to beat the content in the way the developers intended.

Thus I would like it if the "2h" of this game were a lot more situational and not nearly as strong as with some jobs in XI. Perhaps something along the lines of the weakest 2h's in XI would suffice to balance things out. I would not mind if they were simply "iconic" abilities that are not 'stronger' than any other ability, but simply have a longer cooldown.

Either way, whatever the developers decide to do, I hope they can avoid the problem of imbalance that comes as a side-effect with too strong abilities.

No and 100X times no. This is essentially the problem with this game.You dont hinder fun to balance the game.
The game is super balanced right now because they followed that direction.Hell Ninja was NEVER used as invented, and was the most unique and fun job in ffxi. Make the game fun, THEN balance.Not following this idea is what made the FFXIV we currently have.

[Araan]

2hrs are a step in defining an actual role for each class, need to remove the physical level and just make classes the main focus.

[Sorel]

No and 100X times no. This is essentially the problem with this game.You dont hinder fun to balance the game.
The game is super balanced right now because they followed that direction.Hell Ninja was NEVER used as invented, and was the most unique and fun job in ffxi. Make the game fun, THEN balance.Not following this idea is what made the FFXIV we currently have.

NIN in FFXIV was fun ... for NIN and sub-NIN. But that fun came at the detriment of other jobs. This detrimental effect got to the point that NIN became the most common melee job/sub-job, as other valid melee jobs were relegated to "lol<jobname>" . I'd personally like to avoid this game becoming "Final Fantasy Ninja Storm".

I understand the point being made. Ninja was probably a bad example to use, though. However the case, players should be able to have as much fun playing whatever they wish to play ... and be considered (more or less) just as useful as if they were playing as something else. So I am afraid I must disagree with the above posting.

[Zkieve]

NIN in FFXIV was fun ... for NIN and sub-NIN. But that fun came at the detriment of other jobs. This detrimental effect got to the point that NIN became the most common melee job/sub-job, as other valid melee jobs were relegated to "lol<jobname>" . I'd personally like to avoid this game becoming "Final Fantasy Ninja Storm".

I understand the point being made. Ninja was probably a bad example to use, though. However the case, players should be able to have as much fun playing whatever they wish to play ... and be considered (more or less) just as useful as if they were playing as something else. So I am afraid I must disagree with the above posting.

In FFXI every class have their place and usefulness.Saying to not go wild in classes design for fear to make some overpowered , really is what killed the game in the first place.If you dont have "fun " in a class then you change classes. wanting to be good at EVERYTHIN type of people is not helping this game a bit.

I agree Ninja was a bad example , but whatever people cry about nin this or that , it was FUN and UNIQUE.Dragoons or lolpups who say they were discriminated is because they deserved to be discriminated.I saw dragoons and lolpups pown anythin and be extremely overpowered in determinated fights.Everythin have their time and place.Making decisions solely on EXP parties is weak.The same applies to wanting a class that is best in everything.

SMN didnt really get into parties, dare you say SMN sucked.

edit; btw sorry if was a bit hard talking , no harm meant , so apologies if anything came across the wrong way.

[Betelgeuzah]

You dont hinder fun to balance the game.

Oh boy, the concept of "fun" has been officially cracked by Zkieve. The universal truth has been laid out in front of us. Stop whatever you're doing everyone, and especially you who tend to appreciate balanced and well designed content over unbalanced, "fun" content, stop having fun right this second. You heard me. What you are doing is not fun, regardless of what you might think or feel.

This is a historical day indeed, as today everyone can finally start having fun in the only possible way fun can be had- and all the inferior ways can be abolished once and for all. All this with the help of our friendly fellow Zkieve, who decided what fun is and what fun isn't. Objectively.

[Zkieve]

Oh boy, the concept of "fun" has been officially cracked by Zkieve. The universal truth has been laid out in front of us. Stop whatever you're doing everyone, and especially you who tend to appreciate balanced and well designed content over unbalanced, "fun" content, stop having fun right this second. You heard me. What you are doing is not fun, regardless of what you might think or feel.

This is a historical day indeed, as today everyone can finally start having fun in the only possible way fun can be had- and all the inferior ways can be abolished once and for all. All this with the help of our friendly fellow Zkieve, who decided what fun is and what fun isn't. Objectively.

If the current game was "FUN" i dare to say a lot more people would be playing now , including myself . Instead of playing on the ps3 with all the time in the world to play in my day off.The people who find current ffxiv "fun" are to few to make a diference . So yes NIN--> anything in FFXIV.Feel free to call me off becouse i didnt say "in my opinion " at the end of the sentence.
How dare you zkieve.,

[Betelgeuzah]

You know better from now on.

[Kurokikaze]

Why can't my fun float with yours?!

OUR VOICES WILL BE HEARD.

^ you win if you get reference.

[Zkieve]

You know better from now on.

Thinking your posts are facts and mine are opinions really dont make your point more valid.In fact , all you said was
----YOU is not = ALL---
While i was expecting a good debate about the subject at hand.
How dare you zkieve to want to chat to people instead of getting completely unrelated responses . The shame.

[zaviermhigo]

If the current game was "FUN" i dare to say a lot more people would be playing now , including myself . Instead of playing on the ps3 with all the time in the world to play in my day off.The people who find current ffxiv "fun" are to few to make a diference . So yes NIN--> anything in FFXIV.Feel free to call me off becouse i didnt say "in my opinion " at the end of the sentence.
How dare you zkieve.,

I'm not playing right now. I tried to replay XI, game is to perverse from what I wanted to play. So i'm trapped in a limbo between two games one ruining itself, and one with potential, not being able to play either haha. So I here you, there is no real "fun" in this game, and those who think this game is fun, like monotony, that can't be argued, there isn't anything in this game that doesn't repeat unimaginatively at this point. I'm okay for repeating concepts because that's what an MMO is, but in this game they didn't really care enough about what you were going to be doing everyday which is Guildleves and leveling. :/ I'm all for content, and from the devs posts it seems pretty balanced, so I wonder what everyone is bitching about.