Bullying on FFXIV

[AmyNeudaiz]

Wow you guys are wimps, you can blacklist to avoid 4 out of 5 of your problems, and if someone MPK you, you can just do it right back or leave the area and try whatever you were doing at a later time

If someone seriously does all that stuff to you, you did something to deserve it most likely... I have played online games for like 12 years and I have never experienced people doing such crazy things

and responding to trolls counts as "something to deserve it" imo

Maybe people like me aren't a**holes and don't like to MPK people? Some people take pride in being an honest player and don't enjoy "revenge" tactics.

[Yves]

Have you heard of a social networking internet website called Facebook? It's hardly anonymous, but that doesn't stop people from using it as a tool to harass and bully people.

I'd be interested to see just how close the two parties ("victim" and "bully") actually come to physically interacting with one another. I've read a handful of case studies involving high school students but these stand out as, well, outliers. Also, please understand that I am using the term "victim" and "bully" very loosely. In 3 out of 4 studies I've found that both parties are actually "bullies" and that Facebook has only acted as an alternative medium for the behavior.

In short, the likelihood of physical repercussion is very slim from what I've seen.

[AmyNeudaiz]

This what Real Id would prevent. If someone had to face the idea that everyone could see the kind of person they are online they would fall back on the same social niceties that enables us as a society to get along. Now I know some worry about the security risks involved, but there are good solutions to that as well.
http://www.nist.gov/nstic/

No, this sort of thing is dangerous. Let me put it like this; if it's NOT dangerous to do, why would it be a safeguard against bullying?

In short, the likelihood of physical repercussion is very slim from what I've seen.

From what I've seen someone with bad intentions finding your personal information online leading to action is 100%. But I guess I would be biased.

I am only speaking up about this because it is dangerous territory and there are MUCH safer methods than plastering your personal info online. GM action is all it takes.

[strallaalaa]

i say lets give the power to decide to the corporations that run our games, i mean it's not like they don't have our best interests and not do anything to get the most money output from it. then the sheeples can be happy.

[Presbytier]

No, this sort of thing is dangerous. Let me put it like this; if it's NOT dangerous to do, why would it be a safeguard against bullying?



From what I've seen someone with bad intentions finding your personal information online leading to action is 100%. But I guess I would be biased.

I am only speaking up about this because it is dangerous territory and there are MUCH safer methods than plastering your personal info online. GM action is all it takes.

Unfortunately by that logic we should always use pseudonyms in everything we do in life do to the risk of one nutcase using that information nefariously. In these conversations what we must realize is the not only will the victims name be known, but so would the bullier. i firmly believe that removing the wall of anonymity would force people to actually think about their actions in a real life consequential matter.

[AmyNeudaiz]

Unfortunately by that logic we should always use pseudonyms in everything we do in life do to the risk of one nutcase using that information nefariously. In these conversations what we must realize is the not only will the victims name be known, but so would the bullier. i firmly believe that removing the wall of anonymity would force people to actually think about their actions in a real life consequential matter.

And I disagree. Just look at Facebook. Literally put your real life image on it yet people still act the same. It only causes safety issues and just because "it doesn't happen a lot" doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

There is a difference between real life situations and plastering your info online for any nutcase to see.

[Jadi]

Cyber bullying is a bullshit politician term used to enact laws against internet free speech. I'm sad you fell prey to their propaganda. Be a bigger person and just ignore it. It can't hurt you if you don't let it because YOU are the one in control of YOUR emotions.

[Yves]

Unfortunately by that logic we should always use pseudonyms in everything we do in life do to the risk of one nutcase using that information nefariously. In these conversations what we must realize is the not only will the victims name be known, but so would the bullier. i firmly believe that removing the wall of anonymity would force people to actually think about their actions in a real life consequential matter.

I don't think that she is saying this. What I think Amy is trying to say is that there are safer alternatives then placing information into a public pool. She's right, too - there are alternatives. This is why police encounters in the United States are kept fairly private. True, some information is available via public records (states differ) but it isn't as vast and detailed as people suspect.

Here's a better way of looking at her argument:

There are safer alternatives than full public disclosure
Full disclosure is an option but public disclosure puts individuals at risk
This risk is unnecessary due to alternatives
Therefore, alternatives ought to be utilized

[Valmonte]

the rule to internet bullies is to not acknowledge they exist, ignore them and they will go away. the rule to physical bullies, is to beat the ever loving sh*t out of them by any means necessary. the general rule against both types of bullies is to show them how very little and insignificant a spec they are on the arse of the world.

if more of the physical aspect were to occur, there would be a lot less bullies in the world. cyber or otherwise.

[AmyNeudaiz]

I don't think that she is saying this. What I think Amy is trying to say is that there are safer alternatives then placing information into a public pool. She's right, too - there are alternatives. This is why police encounters in the United States are kept fairly private. True, some information is available via public records (states differ) but it isn't as vast and detailed as people suspect.

Here's a better way of looking at her argument:

There are safer alternatives than full public disclosure
Full disclosure is an option but public disclosure puts individuals at risk
This risk is unnecessary due to alternatives
Therefore, alternatives ought to be utilized

Nailed it on the dot, thank you for getting it.