Please change ARC close-range auto-attack from punching to striking with bow

[Breladine]

I think all of us have seen movies where bowmen smash their bows into enemies who get too close

No. You're thinking guns or riflemen, not bows and archers. I have never seen an archer smash their bow into someone.

[Hiruke]

No. You're thinking guns or riflemen, not bows and archers. I have never seen an archer smash their bow into someone.

Apparently you haven't seen enough movies, then. Because no, I'm not thinking of what you think I'm thinking about, or else... I would have said that instead of what I said.

Anyway...

In response to folks who mentioned stabbing with arrows, good point. I forgot to mention that, and edited it into the bottom of the post. Cheers!

[Vanguard319]

No. You're thinking guns or riflemen, not bows and archers. I have never seen an archer smash their bow into someone.

Guess you never saw the Avengers. Hawkeye does it a few times. Hell, stabbing the guy with an arrow as an improvised stiletto (also in the Avengers) would have been better than that punch. A well-made bow can take some abuse, they just can't be dry fired.

[Valmonte]

Guess you never saw the Avengers. Hawkeye does it a few times. Hell, stabbing the guy with an arrow as an improvised stiletto (also in the Avengers) would have been better than that punch. A well-made bow can take some abuse, they just can't be dry fired.

He's also using a steel reinforced carbon fiber bow. try smacking somebody with the any type of wooden bow and they'll break after a few swings...this is why archer way back when carried Spatha's, Daggers, or other variety of the small sword.

[PSxpert2011]

Need to get rid of the punch and just have only Ranged-Auto Attack.

That's besides the topic.

Your the guy who just wants to go AFK, eat his chips and watch movies on the side while getting hate and dying. (loool)
Everyone else is aware of the battle. I wouldn't be surprised if you get kicked from the party along with having to HP.

[Reika]

That's besides the topic.

Your the guy who just wants to go AFK, eat his chips and watch movies on the side while getting hate and dying. (loool)
Everyone else is aware of the battle. I wouldn't be surprised if you get kicked from the party along with having to HP.

What do you expect them to do for archer bow attacks if they remove light shot? Archers wouldn't even be able to use their bows for tp generating attacks. Their only choice is to not remove light shot if they dont want archers 'AFKing to auto attack', tho the movement lock would hopefully be nullified or nearly nullified if they keep it.

[PSxpert2011]

What do you expect them to do for archer bow attacks if they remove light shot? Archers wouldn't even be able to use their bows for tp generating attacks. Their only choice is to not remove light shot if they dont want archers 'AFKing to auto attack', tho the movement lock would hopefully be nullified or nearly nullified if they keep it.

Well, the idea of archer(which I also am leveling) going all auto-attack like the other classes doesn't feel right. Now, if you ask me will it make sense because they're removing ammo, sure. The two facts of "no more ammo" and "auto-attack" has to be a conspiracy in itself.

When an archer auto-attacks, it disregards 'choice'(like when mobs get too close, you have no choice but to punch it) but it's still possible to attack with archery no matter how close you are to the target. Instead of high damage,I'm afraid SE has other plans for adjusting classes in ARR and Bard won't be much of a DDing role but a cure/support role with bow & arrows.

[Vanguard319]

He's also using a steel reinforced carbon fiber bow. try smacking somebody with the any type of wooden bow and they'll break after a few swings...this is why archer way back when carried Spatha's, Daggers, or other variety of the small sword.

Hey, quite a few of the of the bows are more metal clad/reinforced than wooden, (the calvary bows, Ifrit's bow, Garudas' spine, and of course the Storm Lt's bow in my sig.) so it's not completely improbable. Also, I noticed you had nothing to say about my other comment, about using an arrow as an improvised stabby melee weapon. Finally, as many have pointed out, it works in Skyrim.

[Valmonte]

Hey, quite a few of the of the bows are more metal clad/reinforced than wooden, (the calvary bows, Ifrit's bow, Garudas' spine, and of course the Storm Lt's bow in my sig.) so it's not completely improbable. Also, I noticed you had nothing to say about my other comment, about using an arrow as an improvised stabby melee weapon. Finally, as many have pointed out, it works in Skyrim.

you could use an arrow as an improvised weapon, given the guy your trying to stab with a projectile weapon isn't wearing chain, plate or Hardened Leather...otherwise he'll just laugh at you while he's lopping of your arms and head.

Modern arrows are made out of stronger and lighter Machine Metal, arrow hafts of the past were often made out of a light wood that often more than not would break and splinter upon impact of hardened mass. there are exceptions to that rule, long distance archery used for siege warfare required the use of heaver hafts while this arrows were much sturdier and could be reused they had a drawback, heavy arrows were useless at close encounters as the bow could not provide enough torque to propel the heaver mass of the arrows. this lead to many tales of warriors who could shunt the blow of arrows but the truth is these arrows didn't pierce deep enough to do any damage. the invention of the crossbow negated all effects of heavy arrows except arching which was later rectified using bolts instead of hafts.

Sorry for that long winded Explanation...but the more you know.

in skyrim the character does not use the bow for hitting. the animation is clearly just using the fist that happens to be holding the bow, so in essence its still punching.

[Vanguard319]

you could use an arrow as an improvised weapon, given the guy your trying to stab with a projectile weapon isn't wearing chain, plate or Hardened Leather...otherwise he'll just laugh at you while he's lopping of your arms and head.

Modern arrows are made out of stronger and lighter Machine Metal, arrow hafts of the past were often made out of a light wood that often more than not would break and splinter upon impact of hardened mass. there are exceptions to that rule, long distance archery used for siege warfare required the use of heaver hafts while this arrows were much sturdier and could be reused they had a drawback, heavy arrows were useless at close encounters as the bow could not provide enough torque to propel the heaver mass of the arrows. this lead to many tales of warriors who could shunt the blow of arrows but the truth is these arrows didn't pierce deep enough to do any damage. the invention of the crossbow negated all effects of heavy arrows except arching which was later rectified using bolts instead of hafts.

Sorry for that long winded Explanation...but the more you know.

in skyrim the character does not use the bow for hitting. the animation is clearly just using the fist that happens to be holding the bow, so in essence its still punching.

I'll concede your first argument, though arrow melee has been done in fantasy before. (Helm's Deep ring a bell?) However, the bow strike in Skyrim can can be considered using the bow in melee, as it adds mass to the punch, giving it more concussive force. (brass knuckles and weighted gloves work on the same principle)