All Worlds Emergency Maintenance (Sep. 20)

[Amherst]

My plan for the gil reduction in 2.0 is actually quite simple i will be draining my gil down to "ZERO" which means they cannot reduce me any further than i will be at ...

You're too clever for us. Got me beat. Congrats.

[Aenarion]

...are you really trying to say that this ISN'T an exploit? The fact that people were selling GC items had NOTHING to do with the seal achievement. Even if it is well intentioned, stop trying to play devil's advocate here. It doesn't work.

Eh, in my book, an exploit is taking advantage of something like a bug, or a broken mechanic that is clearly not working as originally designed. The Dawn Drop thing is more of a unexpected loophole rather than an exploit, as players are gaining the seals, exchanging them for the drops, and selling the drops for gil all within the design of the system, the devs simply did not foresee the effect of these particular combinations.

That being said, some loopholes become so egregious that their effect on the game become just as bad as exploits, where the line is though is a bit of a gray area, and is something for the game devs to decided. IMO, the atomos/dawn drop doesn't really make it to the exploit level. To draw a parallel to another MMO I play, in Eve Online when Incursion was added, players quickly figured out that one particular incursion site can be stretched and farmed to make far more money/hr than anything else, which led to a nice little inflation run. CCP (the game dev) eventually nerfed that site, but it was hardly declared an exploit, and CCP can be swift and severe when it comes to large scale exploits.

[Orophin]

tbh, who here thought that the maint. was for anything but a fix for this exploit?

I didn't even need to see an official post to know what it was about.

Well I knew it certainly wasn't for any new and exciting content. Been watching the forums for the last week and was like "Yup, it's getting nerfed." Too bad it took this long.

Tho, I still dont see this as really an exploit, at least not a major one.

So how much money did you make off of this?

[DemonFury]

and besides it is not just Dawn Drops that can be used in this manner 1 stack of blood drops sells for 44 gil each multiplied by 99 = 4356 gil earned multiply that times 1000 which is the equivalent of spending all 50k seals gives you 4,356,000 Gil which is more than what you get from dawn drops just takes 3 times as long to do. the only true way to fix this is to make it so that all gc items bought cannot be sold to any npc in game

[Reika]

I'll tell you why this is not an 'exploit'.

Firstly, SE set the vendor price for Dawn Drops. No one figured out any system work around to make them sell for more. Since the addition of grand companies, the dawn drops have always been there under recruit. This was a very long time ago adition, it is nothing new. Though at the time, there was no way besides the few quests offered to get seals, so whos going to waste them on dawn drops? Later on down the line, new ranks are added and ways to get seals constantly are added. People have been playing this for a long time and clearly it didnt take people very long to pick the dawn drops as the item to deplete seals on for this event. So I would say people have done this in the past when there was nothing else they wanted from the GC and were maxed on seals.

Now SE adds the Atomos NM event, where you can get over-aspected crystals/clusters and exchange them for Seals of your Grand Company. At first, they messed it up to where you could get more than one cluster. That was their blunder and they fixed that already. However, SE set the exchange rate for these items themselves. 1 cluster = 3000 seals, 4 crystals = 1000 seals. SE also set the drop rate and amount of crystals dropped from atomos, at first being 3 to 5, now being 5 or 7. They also set the voidstone to be left up for a certain amount of time and to be multi-examinable. No special tricks by players were needed to increase the amount of crystals you get, amount of crystals you have to turn in, or amount of seals you get from turning in crystals.

The NPC that gives you seals for crystals wont let you turn in anymore if it will put you over cap. So any player that has everything they want from GC and wants to get that 500k seal ach, has to do something about it. So of course they would Take advantage of the Dawn drops that have been there since the addition of the Recruit rank, and have always been purchaceable with seals, and vendorable as a means to convert seals to gil.

Its not an exploit, its something to take advantage of while it lasts.

[Reika]

Well I knew it certainly wasn't for any new and exciting content. Been watching the forums for the last week and was like "Yup, it's getting nerfed." Too bad it took this long.


So how much money did you make off of this?

7 mil

/10somesome

[Aenarion]

stuff

Pretty much, but then you have to realize that while it's not something that can be technically qualified as an exploit, many players nevertheless will use that term to describe stuff they believe is unbalanced/unfair etc.

It's just semantics tbh.

[Molly_Millions]

You're too clever for us. Got me beat. Congrats.

Actually, I'm doing the same thing; reducing my gil to 0 before 2.0. Call it futures trading if you will. the fact of the matter is, the revaluation will have an effect on the economy to some extent, as will new content added to the game. Whether I come out ahead or not, really isn't that much of a concern to me though, because there are going to be plenty of new players entering the game that all have 0 gil as well.

[Nero]

I'll tell you why this is not an 'exploit'.

respectfully snip'd

ex·ploit (ksploit, k-sploit)n. An act or deed, especially a brilliant or heroic one. See Synonyms at feat1.

tr.v. (k-sploit, ksploit) ex·ploit·ed, ex·ploit·ing, ex·ploits 1. To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents.
2. To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. See Synonyms at manipulate.
3. To advertise; promote.


just saying...

[Orophin]

7 mil

/10somesome

That's 70% of my current wealth. I've never had more than 20mil at one time. (by my own choosing) Somehow this is fair that you can generate that kind of money and actually ENCOURAGE people to take advantage of it?

I guess there are hardly any honest people left in the world. People only continue to do it because they know there's no repercussions.