[dev1002] The entire world lacking as a battle environment.

[Kazimir]

to expand on my previous comment:

It's not about making the game FFXI-2. The issue so many players have with XIV is that they didn't add anything to the game that made XI a fun game. It has caused this game to be utterly boring and players like you are in the minority so no, it is not your game. If SE made your game they would have to shut down the servers from lack of revenue.

Who do you think makes up so much of the current players that are still playing? Why would so many people stick around this game when it's so bad? It's people who have played FFXI that are hoping the devs snap out of it and take this game into the direction it should have went in the first place.

We're not all asking for a FFXI-2. We just want better environments, some sort of party driven aspect, a sense of adventure, and that feeling of success when you do something that not everyone can. I don't honestly get why anyone would be against that, and I don't get why anyone who is would bother playing an MMO.

No one is trying to take away the enjoyment of the game from other players. They can keep on soloing leves and minor quests if they want, but the rest of the player base should not be forced to solo missions and partake in mind numbingly simple party play just because others don't want to play a multi-player game with anyone else.

SE isn't going to expand it's MMO catalog by coddling the player base.

[Kirith]

Replying to SogiYa:

You didn't get a single thing the OP wanted to express, you don't get what the people who ask for FFXI-2 want, nor what anyone else who isn't you wants.
Let me explain it as simply as it is humanely possible.

The OP talked very beautifully about ONE FACTOR PERTINENT TO FFXIV he liked the MOST about FFXI:

The thrill of death and inherent difficulty of the game. Period.

It's perfectly coherent to use FFXI as an example as many people here played it here and THE SAME PEOPLE made it.

He's just saying "Hey, FFXI had this thrill and was hard, FFXIV is easy and doesn't excite me at all. Add thrill to it, add excitement before adding complex features!"

That's it. Yes, he elaborates a lot about the beauty and the adventure of the game, but that's an effective way to convey what he felt about the game. Why does it disturb you so much? Why do you feel the need to make an enormous troll post?

The game sucks, the majority has decided. That's not in discussion. Put your soul to rest. The OP makes a suggestion, he isn't asking for FFXI.

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On to the next point: Why are many FFXI fans here and not on FFXI?

Because they didn't like FFXI? WRONG.

1) After 6 years playing it any game gets boring, no matter how fond of it you are.
2) The new expansions changed it too much so old players find 2 weeks noobs accomplishing what they accomplished in 2 years.
3) All their friends quit.
4) Personal reasons.

etc.

They don't necessarily want another FFXI, they want another fun, exciting and inspiring game to play and start as new players in. They instead see a similar game which is faring poorly. It is OBVIOUS to make suggestions based on the previous game. OBVIOUS and LOGICAL.

If there is someone who doesn't want a FFXI clone it is the old FFXI players who have played it for years and are here exactly because they had enough! If you stopped raging and ignoring others' reasons and ideas for a second you would notice that both them and you want just a new, fun game to play.

[Dragonhand]

It is kind of funny that ppl are telling me or others that we just want ffxi-2.

Most of us have played over 15 different tittles of final fantasy. How on the earth I would want a ff xi clone, if i've played and enjoyed 15 different final fantasy titles?...

Such statement can only come from kids who never played another real mmo then World of Warcraft, barely know that there is a much greater game called warcraft, and at these point are still wondering on what I just said: "did he said 15? i thought these was the 14'th one"... To help you out on these one, ff xiv is (if my math does not fail me) at least the 21th final fantasy tittle.

[Shiyo]

No one wants an FF11 clone, we're just confused why this game is going the direction it is when WOW exists for the people they're trying to design this game for, and it'll never take casuals away from WOW. SE should continue to rely on the niche FF11 filled in the MMO market, instead of trying to copy another successful mmo(and fail doing it).

[Soukyuu]

It is kind of funny that ppl are telling me or others that we just want ffxi-2.

It's way funnier that people who did not play FFXI even a second are accused of wanting a FFXI-2, too.

Just because someone thinks the game is too easy doesn't mean they have played FFXI and want a FFXI-2

[SogiYa]

uhm ...

They don't necessarily want another FFXI, they want another fun, exciting and inspiring game to play and start as new players in.

... but with all of the same features.

New is different! otherwise, it's "old."

how can you get a new experience if SE recycles all of the old combat mechanics, class dyamics, party structure, and yes: death penalty.

there are 8 crafting classes, 6 physical combat classes, 2 mage classes, and 3 gathering classes. that should tell you FFXIv was not intended to be a hard core combat grinder. you could say that the mage classes are actually combat classes and that makes just as many combat classes as crafters, but you'd be forgetting the three gathering classes making 11 non combat classes and 8 combat classes.

uhhh .... yeah, FFXIV is kinda light and fluffy, and so what? as you (generally speaking) have stated: your tired of playing the same type of game! Light and fluffy is about the only way TO make a new type of game seeing as how the hyper hardcore "action" side of things is pretty well covered at this point.

*edit* I agree, the game could use some more challenging content, but a kick in the nuts for dieing is not the way to do it. neither is constricting the game to "high level monsters go here, low level goes here" now when your level "X" you play in this crib and then when you get to level "Y" you go over here until you get the level "Z".

[Dragonhand]

Gosh... some people have no clue... Point out in what sentence we have said that we wanted the same features as ff xi at the exception of xp penalty on death that is actually a gaming feature older then you (surprised? don't be).

We want to feel adventure, accomplishment, joy on simple things like siting and listening a gorgeous music song. These is something I've done and felt in all final fantasy games until now.

Final Fantasy has been innovating his features, classes, skills through over 20 different tittles (yes there are more then 20 final fantasy's on the market). But these one, it is not innovating, it is boring, and the only reason a few of us are still in here (with some exceptions obviously) it's because we LOVE final fantasy and can not let our favorite game's name fall into shame without trying to help on fixing it giving out input to the devs.

I repeat what I said, Final Fantasy has been innovating his features, classes, skills through over 20 different tittles, we couldn't be against innovation and be fans of final fantasy at the same time.

[zaviermhigo]

In my mind I've thought up "what if 3x weakened was just our first weakened" meaning we can't pull our weapon after the first time we died, it would shake things up, its not the answer, that was just a random tidbit and I actually hope they don't implement that, but my point is that while I've sat at school or at work, I've thought of ways of making the game tougher, and if a lot of the player base is doing the same thing, it should tell SE. As with the more crafting and gathering classes than DoW and DoM, I'd be okay with this, since the crafting system is great and the gathering needs minor tweaks, but the Dow/ DoM classes were ,and still are until I see proof of change, the most bland classes ever, even with the cross class thing, we were just cross classing boring a lot of time :/ some of us figured awesome builds, but it was still...boring. No player in this game (unless your into it, whatever thats you but not some of us), can make a build with a combination of classes that adds fun :/

[Mack]

Seriously I agree with everything TC said - its clear SE is afraid a death penalty will deter players from the game but it wouldn't be the case. In FFXI it was harsh because everything agro'd and some zones were tight knit, in FFXIV this can be mitigated by having some zones with "safe passageways" to get to and from other zones (these would be the lower level zones). An xp penalty isn't the do all end all for FFXIV, it wont fix much of anything to be honest but it'll give you a sense of fear and it'd be perfect with the battle system changes you guys are working on.

[Shikyo]

to expand on my previous comment:

it's great that your a big time fan of FFXI and all, but not everyone else is too. FFXIV IS NOT FFXI-2, it never was and it never will be: no amount of mutilation can change that. bad marketing played it out like it was going to be a direct sequel/disconnected expansion pack, but management and the developers never intended it to be that. in developing FFXIV SE altered every single fundamental aspect of FFXI that people (that is, THE people who didn't enjoy XI) complained about.

FFXIV is not FFXI-2, it is "Final Fantasy: Online (for the people who didn't like Final Fantasy XI)."

SE was trying to EXPAND it's mmo library with a title catering to a different audience. (see how that works? you make a game that isn't identical to the old one, that way you get new customers added into the old ones you already had.)

I know this because I'm one of them (a new one), and I'm enjoying the s*** out of FFXIV. I loved everything that is shared between the two titles, but absolutely hated EVERYTHING in FFXI that was altered for FFXIV. Sure, lots of what those elements were altered into aren't exactly perfect ... but I am quite happy that they AREN'T the same as what they were in FFXI.

look, SE has heard all you guy with your requests for a direct sequel to FFXI, that much is quite clear. SE likes money and you have said "I will pay for FFXI-2" so your going to get your god damned FFXI-2 ... eventually! but first they need to sort out this mess of what happens when you rush the development of a MMO and then release it 1/2 assed. I'm real sorry that we (the non-fans of FFXI) got a HD-era game before you guys did, but thats how it happened, and unfortunately SE needs to clean up this mess before it can get started on something else.

so please: shut the F*** up and go back to the game you enjoy, all your doing right now is potentially F***ing up OUR game. your never going to like FFXIV, but this constant whining about "make it FFXI-2" is just going to screw it up worse, so that WE dont like it either.

it was a false alarm people, false alarm ... this is not YOUR next game. SE is going through some growing pains of learning how to expand it's mmo catalog: poor planing, hurried releases, mismanaged comunication ... these are all things that every company birthing it's second mmo goes through. yeah, it's kinda painful to watch and you'd like to scream "no, god damn it! do it like this" but doing it wrong is actually a prerequisite for getting it right.

So go back to you much beloved FFXI, you've got 25 more levels and a S*** pot of other content coming out over the next year ... and be thankful that this happened in our Final Fantasy game because it's going to make the next one (yours) all the better for it.

I read all the post and i knew i would get to this one lol... XIV fanboy attack! they will defend and attack this game blindly ignoring the fact that the game is obviously failing.
These are the ppl you ignor, because these are the ones that would see the game bleed to death.
Remeber that SE is a buisness and making money is greatly determined by the fans that are willing to pay and atm we are not, they know this.
So again ignor this idiot, his post shouldnt be there long with all the negitive comments "gtfo's,stfu's" ect ect ect i liked your post and if its read by thoes in charge i think if they're smart, they will realize thats the fans they wanna capture, not this idiot.
I like your post rather a XI fan or not FF fans in general probably would agree ^^

Edit! sogiya wow the moderator has let you get away with a ton i see after reading your post, seems you have a bad attitude and asshole disorder get over yourself and stop attacking ppl it wont make you feel better when you look around your room or in the mirror guy.